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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Related Rates clock hands problem... ughhh

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Minute hand on a clock is 8mm long and the hour hand is 4mm long. How fast is the distance betweeen the tips of the hands changing at one' o clock?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know one revolution = 2pi radians

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and the minute hand is 1/12 rpms

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\theta=\frac{ \pi }{ 6 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i can get the unknown distance between the min hand and hour hand by using law of cosines

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[z^2=x^2+y^2-2(x)(y)\cos\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x=8 y = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[z=\sqrt{80-32\sqrt{3}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now I can find dz/dt

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

keep the z in terms of \(\theta\) only, dont sub the \(\theta = \pi/6\) yet

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[2z(\frac{ dz }{ dt} )= -2(8)(4)-\sin(\Theta)\frac{ d \theta }{ dt }\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

x and y are constants here right ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{ dz }{ dt }=(\frac{ 16 }{ \sqrt{80-32\sqrt{3}} })\frac{ -11\pi }{ 6 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ya

OpenStudy (anonymous):

here is my question though, when I take the derivative of everything, why does the -2(m)(n) stay ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what im going off of

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(s^2 = m^2 + h^2 - 2(m)(h) \cos\theta\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you asking at this step, why \(m \) and \(h\) stick ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ya the 2(m)(h)cos

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

after taking derivating with respective to time, yeah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the 2(m)(n) are untouched

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

look at \(\frac{d }{dt} 2(m)(h) \cos\theta\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

since \(m\) and \(h\) are lengths of hands of clock, they are constants. so we can take them out of derivative

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its same as, \(2(m)(h) \frac{d }{dt}\cos\theta\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

is this u asking or.. ..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it because they are touching cosine?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

hmm something like that, we can pull out the constant multiple out of derivative funciton

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for example, if \(c\) is constant, \(\frac{d}{dt} (c * t)\) = \(c * \frac{d}{dt} (t)\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

c = 0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

c can be any fixed value, we can pull it out and take the derivative for just the variable

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

in this problem, the last part.... . the logic for calculating \(\frac{d\theta}{dt} \) is interesting...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

pi/6 - 2pi?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yea... it can be pi/6 + 2pi alsi... depends on whether the angle is shrinking or expanding.. .

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

*also

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nice problem :) gtg cya

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