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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (turingtest):

The Reimann sum on the interval [a,b] is given by\[\sum_{i=0}^nf(a+i\Delta x)\Delta x\]where \(\Delta x=\frac{b-a}n\)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

what is \(\Delta x\) in your case?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

...n is the number of rectangles btw

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just don't know how to use that f(x)=x^2/10 and the interval...[2,6], i mean i don't understand what's f(x) for

OpenStudy (turingtest):

f(x) is the curve you are estimating the area under answer my questions an I will walk you though the process

OpenStudy (anonymous):

6-2/8 which is -1/2 for ∆x right?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

why - ? \(\Delta x=1/2\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh yes gotcha

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so now after subbing in for a, b, n, and \(\Delta x\) we got\[\sum_{i=0}^8f(2+\frac i2)\frac12\]so far so good?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, ok so i see where the 8 and the 2 came from and also the 1/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we are doing the Ln right because we're using 2...?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

we are doing the left because we are starting at i=0, which is like starting at x=2 if we wanted the right endpoints we would use i=1, and we would start at x=2.5 make sense?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

O.K, yes :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

ok, so now we are going to sub in for f(x)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

since our \(x^*=2+\frac i2\) we now have\[\sum_{i=0}^8\frac{(2+\frac i2)^2}{10}\cdot\frac12\]still with me?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, i see how you have these substitutions

OpenStudy (anonymous):

by using f(x)=X^2/10 :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

you got it :) now did you know we can pull out the constants in front of the summation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yup

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\frac1{20}\sum_{i=0}^8(2+\frac i2)^2\]now we just expand and sum it up

OpenStudy (turingtest):

it is helpful to know that\[\sum_{i=1}^ni=\frac{n(n+1)}2\]and\[\sum_{i=1}^ni^2=\frac{n(n+1)(2n+1)}6\]have you seen these formulas before?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, just learned about both 2 days ago

OpenStudy (turingtest):

great, then this should be a breeze :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\frac1{20}\sum_{i=0}^8(2+\frac i2)^2\]\[\frac1{20}\sum_{i=0}^84+2i+\frac{i^2}4\]can you sum it from here?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm so we left with 1/5 that Reimann sign 4 +2i + i^2 ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

why 1/5 ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

trying to pull a 4 out? can't do that I'm afraid

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok is it just 2i + i^2?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and 1/20 infront

OpenStudy (turingtest):

where did the 4 go? what is\[\sum_{i=0}^84\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do we cancelled it with the other 4?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

no, we so far have\[\frac1{20}\left(\sum_{i=0}^84+\sum_{i=0}^82i+\sum_{i=0}^8\frac{i^2}4\right)\]\[=\frac1{20}\left(4\sum_{i=0}^81+2\sum_{i=0}^8i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^8i^2\right)\]now you need to do each sum

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so what is\[\sum_{i=0}^81\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i completely lost you there, sorry :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

you are summing 1 from index 0 to index 8 0th term:1 1st term:1 2nd term:1 etc.

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so that's 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=9 get it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok, yes!

OpenStudy (turingtest):

cool, onward ho...

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\frac1{20}\left(4\sum_{i=0}^81+2\sum_{i=0}^8i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^8i^2\right)\]\[=\frac1{20}\left(4(9)+2\sum_{i=0}^8i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^8i^2\right)\]now what about\[\sum_{i=0}^8i\]what is that equal to?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm in this case i=2 right?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

oh crap I screwed up a little... the sum should go to 7 because the last left endpoint is 5.5 not 6

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so\[\sum_{i=1}^71=8\]and all the sums should be from 0 to 7 if it were the right endpoints it would be from 1 to 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok, no worries hehe

OpenStudy (turingtest):

2+(0.5)7=5.5 which is the last endpoint I hope I didn't confuse you, a minor adjustment...

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\frac1{20}\left(4\sum_{i=0}^71+2\sum_{i=0}^7i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^7i^2\right)\]\[=\frac1{20}\left(4(8)+2\sum_{i=0}^7i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^7i^2\right)\]and i does not equal anything, it is an index that changes with the terms of the summation

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\sum_{i=0}^7i=0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7\]see, i ticks off the natural numvers

OpenStudy (turingtest):

numbers*

OpenStudy (turingtest):

also note that\[\sum_{i=0}^7i=0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28=\frac{7(7+1)}2\]so this is where our formula you learned 2 days ago comes in

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah from the formular n(n+1)/2

OpenStudy (turingtest):

right, so I hope you understand how \[\sum_ni\]works now

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so to continue, we now have...

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\frac1{20}\left(4\sum_{i=0}^71+2\sum_{i=0}^7i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^7i^2\right)\]\[=\frac1{20}\left(4(8)+2\frac{7\cdot8}2+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^7i^2\right)\]and the last piece of the puzzle is to find\[\sum_{i=0}^8i^2\]which is what?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

sorry that should be sum up to 7, not 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok..

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\sum_{i=0}^7i^2=?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we use 0^2+1^2+2^2+3^2+4^2+5^2+6^2+7^2 ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes, or you could use the formula you learned 2 days ago ;) (note that starting at zero does not matter because the first term is zero here)\[\sum_{i=0}^ni=\sum_{i=1}^ni\]sam goes for the sum over i^2 or any time the first term is zero

OpenStudy (turingtest):

same*

OpenStudy (turingtest):

what was your formula for\[\sum_{i=1}^ni^2\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

n(n+1)(2n+1)6

OpenStudy (turingtest):

/6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

divide by 6 *

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hehe yes

OpenStudy (turingtest):

and what is n in your case?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

140?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

/6

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yes that is the sum I was asking about what n is, which is 7, but you got the right sum anyway ...why did you write /6 again?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok nevermind i was using the second formular which is wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so now we're adding the sum together ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

\[\sum_{i=0}^7i^2=\frac{7(8)(15)}6=140\]

OpenStudy (turingtest):

so yeah, now we just add it all up

OpenStudy (anonymous):

140+28+8?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

opps nope

OpenStudy (turingtest):

careful\[\frac1{20}\left(4\sum_{i=0}^71+2\sum_{i=0}^7i+\frac14\sum_{i=0}^7i^2\right)\]\[=\frac1{20}\left(4(8)+2(28)+\frac14(140)\right)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok ok i see and then we plug them all back into our break up stuff after we did the sums

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yeah, always gotta remember where we are in the formula and what it's supposed to look like

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so therefore the answer is 463/5 right ?

OpenStudy (turingtest):

? 1/20(32+56+35)=123/20 don't fail on the arithmetic at the end and get the wrong answer, that's just plain frustrating :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

AH!! 6.15 haha

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yeah, that's what I get :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Manh that was one long working out for a single question!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I really appreciate your time and patient

OpenStudy (turingtest):

yeah these things can be a pain, but it will go a lot faster with a little practice and knowing what forms to expect

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Any suggestions to better my understanding of how become better like you?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or at least like you, i know you're way way beyond

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks thanks much! I just violate the open study rule by becoming your fun! :)

OpenStudy (turingtest):

I am mostly self-taught, but here is a really good set of notes http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/ and also MIT OCW has great, but quite difficult classes

OpenStudy (turingtest):

and you're very welcome :) good luck, I have to go hunt down some people causing trouble on this site later!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks much!

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