hi there I have some integration problems. check this please
\[\int\limits_{2}^{3} \frac{ dx }{ \sqrt{3-x} }\]
\[\int\limits_{0}^{e^2}-\frac{ 1 }{ x(\ln x)^2 } dx\]
\[\int\limits_{2}^{3}(3-x)^{\frac{ -1 }{2 }}\]\[(3-x)^{\frac{ -1 }{2 } + 1}\]\[\frac{ (3-x)^{\frac{ 1 }{2 }} }{ \frac{ 1 }{ 2 }}\times (-1)\] \[-2(3-x)^{\frac{ 1 }{2 }} \] apply the limit here 2to 3 you will get the answer.
for the second one .. substitute ln(x) = u then du = dx/x ... can you do it now ?
for the first one i did it without limit. Is it wrong?
Wow! you guys keep giving a way answers and hints. No help at all!!!
I got 2, for the first one
the second, I got 1/2
Which one are you doing right now?
lets check the firs please
OK! So let's do this again but I'm going to teach you how to solve it yourself instead of giving you the answers. Is that cool with you?
ok
thanks
ya it would be good i cna also learn how to explain.. bcos i am not good at explaining integrals.. @calculusfunctions thanks.
\[\int\limits_{2}^{3}\frac{ dx }{ \sqrt{3-x} }\]First of all, what type of integral do we have here? Definite integral or indefinite integral?
@nubeer thank you! Your answer was right so now I'm going to teach you guys how to arrive at the answer using a different approach. Cool? First I'm waiting for your reply to the question I asked. C'mon guys!
defined.
@ahmed84 yes but I think you mean definite, not defined. lol
no I do not know.
hmm because i missed dx , formula or integral sign?
loool
A definite integral is one which is evaluated over a given interval. Do you understand?
yep I understood
@nubeer no not because of that. See if you can figure out why. If not then you will know at the end of this lesson.
Now have you ever learned the substitution method?
yep I know it
yes..
I will right what I have done and you mark it. Deal?
u = 3-x du/dx = -1
then x = 2 so u = 1 x = 3 so u = 0
Alright then let's view the integral again\[\int\limits_{2}^{3}\frac{ dx }{ \sqrt{3-x} }\]What do you think u should equal?
u = 3-x
Please do not type while I am. Deal?
ok
Yes! u = 3 - x Very good. Now what?
now we will take du/dx?
OK so what is du in terms of dx?
du = -dx
Very good! Now do we leave it like that or do we manipulate it?
I have to manipulate it
I mean in the integrand are we replacing dx or -dx?
Yes so then what?
\[\int\limits_{1}^{0} \frac{ du }{ \sqrt{u} }\]
is it right?
sorry I miss (-) in front of the integral
i think a minus sign should also be there.
Yes! now before we evaluate this integral\[-\int\limits\limits_{1}^{0}\frac{ du }{ \sqrt{u} }\]there is one thing else we can do first. Do you know what that is?
take u in numerator?
I don't mean write the radical in exponent form. Not yet.
Do you see the the interval of the integrand? The lower limit is larger than the upper limit. Does that bother anyone else besides me?
Do you know how to rectify this?
no .. i dont know.
The interval should be from a to b, where a is less than b. Hence \[\int\limits_{b}^{a}f(x)dx =-\int\limits_{a}^{b}f(x)dx\] Do you understand?
ya i get it..
In other words, whenever you switch the lower and upper limit, you multiply the integral by negative one.
Good so then can you guys tell me what are new integral looks like now? Also @ahmed84 this was your question so why are you not participating more.
I mean ... our new integral ...
lol i think here should be a tab of rules in which few rules should be defined like if you post u have to participate and always say please and thank you... lol that would be good. :P
One step at a time so can you delete that answer my question please?
@nubeer thanks but I don't need a thank you. I just need you to learn. That's my reward.
lol i am jsut saying.. its just a way of respect for the one from whom u learn.. thats all..
@nubeer I know. I wish more students were like you. It's sad that as a teacher I really don't see more.
yeah true.. :( well lets not get side tracked and continue the question..
I know I'm still waiting to receive your answers to my last question.
\[\int\limits_{0}^{1}\frac{ du }{ \sqrt{u} }\]
@ahmed84 do you agree?
yep I agree with you. I actually went to my teacher today and she said you have to do it like this it is correct . I will write my answer and you see it
No I mean do you agree with @nubeer 's step.
\[=-\int\limits_{1}^{0} \frac{ du }{ \sqrt{u}}= -2[u^.5] = 2 \]
do I need to right limit or not?
So now we have\[\int\limits_{0}^{1}u ^{-\frac{ 1 }{ 2 }}du\]Right?
@ahmed84 I'm trying to teach the logical steps you need to arrive at the final answer you you keep posting the final answer. Do you not want my help?
of course , I want your help.
Anyway your answer @ahmed84 is correct so we'll move on.
From now on I'd like to see the complete solution from you rather than just the answer if you want me to continue teaching you. Deal?
Now what was the next integral you needed help with?
the second please
I need this \[\int\limits_{0}^{e^2}- \frac{ 1 }{ x(linx)^2 }dx\]
I came up with this answer, 1/2
Next we have \[- \int\limits_{0}^{e ^{2}}\frac{ 1 }{ x (\ln x)^{2} }dx \]
I wrote u = lnx du = 1/x dx
Are you certain that the lower limit is 0?
yep this what i got
OK! so then we have to approach this integral from the positive side of 0 because the domain of y = ln x is x > 0. Understand? Have you ever done these types of problems before?
yep I understood
In other words,\[\lim_{t \rightarrow 0^{+}}\int\limits_{t}^{e ^{2}}-\frac{ 1 }{ x(\ln x)^{2} }dx\]Do you understand?
no, here is my problem in fact. I do not know about the limit??/?
So are you telling me that you have never had a lesson on these types of problems or are you telling me that you have learned them but do not understand them? Which one is it?
I did integration but I do not understand limit
My question was not whether you have done integration because I can see that you have, rather my question was have you ever learned integrals with limits?
It was long time ago
OK well it's simple. First solve\[\int\limits_{t}^{e ^{2}}-\frac{ 1 }{ x(\ln x)^{2} }dx\]Solve this integral first. Once we have done this then we need to worry about the limit part. So go ahead and show me all your steps. Alright?
ok
\[-\int\limits_{0}^{e^2} \frac{ 1 }{ u^2 }du = -\int\limits_{0}^{e^2} u^-2= [\frac{ u^-1 }{-1 }] = [\frac{ 1 }{ u }]\]
Please take a closer look at the integral I wrote. I replaced the lower limit with a t so why do you still have 0 ?
no I think
Also shouldn't we have changed the lower and upper limits in terms of u now? Please do it again.
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