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OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i find the center of a circle on the coordinate plane?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Do you have an equation for the circle?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so you have the graph then?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

can you post it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes it will take me a moment tho

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

do you know how to find the equation of perpendicular bisectors?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we have to write that using the midpoint and slope which we already found we just don't know how to write the equation

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

To find the equation, you use the general form y = mx+b Example: Say you know that the slope is 2 and it goes through the point (5,7) y = mx+b y = 2x + b ... plug in the slope m = 2 7 = 2*5 + b ... plug in x = 5 and y = 7, this is from the point (5,7) 7 = 10 + b 7 - 10 = b -3 = b b = -3 Therefore, the equation that goes through (5,7) and it has a slope of 2 is y = 2x - 3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

So if you have the perpendicular slopes and the midpoints, then you can find the equations of the perpendicular bisectors You only need to do 2 equations for the 2 (out of 3) perpendicular bisectors because you only need 2 lines to have them intersect at the point...which is the center of the circle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we are working it out right now. thank you!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're welcome

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

let me know what you get

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for Line AB we got b = 2 so the equation would be y=1x-2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because the slop of AB = 1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it should be +2 y = mx + b y = 1x + b 3 = 1*1 + b 3 = 1 + b 3 - 1 = b 2 = b b = 2 Line through A and B: y = x + 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

The midpoint of AB is (2,4) The perpendicular slope of line AB is -1 y = mx + b y = -1x + b 4 = -1*2 + b 4 = -2 + b 4 + 2 = b 6 = b b = 6 So the equation of the perpendicular bisector of AB is y = -x + 6

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Do the same to find the equation of the perpendicular bisector of AC or BC (you only need more more equation)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay we'll work on that and get back to you thank you

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

np

OpenStudy (anonymous):

equation for the perpendicular bisector of BC is Y=-2x+11

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's the equation of the line that goes through points B and C

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it is NOT the equation of the perpendicular bisector of BC

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you would need a) the perpendicular slope and b) the midpoint of BC to find the equation of the perpendicular bisector of BC

OpenStudy (anonymous):

perpendicular slop is 1/2 and the midpoint of BC (4,3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

now use those two facts to find the perpendicular bisector of BC

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y=1/2x+1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so you have these two perpendicular bisector equations: y = -x + 6 y=1/2x+1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

solve this system any way you can to find the point of intersection this point of intersection is the center of the circle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do we find the point of intersection?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well y is both -x+6 and it is 1/2x+1 so because of that you can say -x + 6 = 1/2x + 1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

solve for x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i don't think its right but i got x=3.3 repeating

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's correct, or 10/3

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

now that you know x, use it to find y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

YES!!!!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do we find Y?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I would stick with the fraction

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

y = -x + 6 y = -10/3 + 6 ... plug in x = 10/3 y = -10/3 + 6/1 y = -10/3 + (6/1)*(3/3) y = -10/3 + 18/3 y = (-10 + 18)/3 y = 8/3 So the point of intersection is (10/3, 8/3) This means that the center of the circle is the point (10/3, 8/3)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you so much that makes sense now

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're welcome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so each point is 1.4 away from the center which means the raduis is 1.4

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no, the radius isn't 1.4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how? im confused!

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

find the distance from point A (1,3) to the center (10/3, 8/3) using the distance formula

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i did and i got the sqaure root of 2 which is 1.4

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

d = sqrt( (x1-x2)^2 + (y1 - y2)^2 ) d = sqrt( (1-10/3)^2 + (3 - 8/3)^2 ) d = sqrt( (-7/3)^2 + (1/3)^2 ) d = sqrt( 49/9 + 1/9 ) d = sqrt( 50/9 ) d = 2.3570226

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

So the radius is roughly 2.3570226 units it is exactly sqrt( 50/9 ) units

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh i see

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

not sure how you got sqrt(2)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i don't what im doing. our teacher hasn't taught us this

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you haven't learned the distance formula yet?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we've learned that but she gave us a this project and never showed us how to find the center of a circle using points located on the circle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you for all your help

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh that's strange, but I'm glad to be of help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay. last question. give possible coordinates of another point on the circle

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

we know the center and the radius so we can use this general equation (x-h)^2 + (y-k)^2 = r^2 to find the equation of the circle

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(h,k) is the center r is the radius

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so what is the equation of the circle?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what numbers do i put in for the x and y

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

pick any number for x that's in between x = 1 and x = 5 so you can pick x = 4 for instance. plug whatever x value you pick in for x, then solve for y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(4-10/3)^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9^2 2/3^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im stuck

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(x-h)^2 + (y-k)^2 = r^2 (x-10/3)^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = (sqrt(50/9))^2 ... plug in the values of h, k and r (4 - 10/3)^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = (sqrt(50/9))^2 ... plug in x = 4 (4 - 10/3)^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9 (2/3)^2 + (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9 4/9 + (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9 (y-8/3)^2 = 50/9 - 4/9 (y-8/3)^2 = 46/9 I'll let you finish

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got y = 2.51

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(y-8/3)^2 = 46/9 y-8/3 = sqrt(46/9) or y-8/3 = -sqrt(46/9) y = 8/3 + sqrt(46/9) or y = 8/3 - sqrt(46/9) y = 4.9274433277 or y = 0.4058900056

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

So we have two points where x = 4 (4, 4.9274433277) and (4, 0.4058900056)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhhhh okay thanks so much jim jim!!!:D

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yw

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

lol echo echo...jk

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