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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How do I find the solutions of this equation....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^3-14x^2+40x-192

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To start you have to do this: x^3-14x^2+40x-192 = 0 Now you solve for x. Does this help?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a little yes thanks

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Did you go over factor by grouping or polynomial long division? Both of those are tactics that might help with that problem.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

um I never heard of the long division method O.o i thought this required multiplying but idk where to start :/ I need help finding x (step by step)

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Well, you have to find something you can factor. Gettig the factors gets you the solution. When it is a trinomial, the finding things that multiply and add is probably what you are used to. However, this has 4 terms, so it makes it a little harder. That is where the grouping comes in.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you show me what u mean like write it out?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

like how i would do it.....

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Trying. Not the easiest one, I'll tell you that!

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

OK: I started with seeing what things multiply to become 192. If I am going to factor anything out, it has to related to that last term. All these things multiply togeether to equal 192: 96*2 64*3 48*4 32*6 24*8 12*16 Now that I have a list of things, I need to see if any of them make sense for other parts of what I factor out.

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Now, the make sense part largey comes down to the x term. You have +40x. So whatever I add together when I get the x term, has to come to +40x. With a trinomial, this is pretty easy. However, this is 4 terms, so it might be a little more tricky.

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

AH HA! 40 = 2(12)+16 or 40 = 24 +2(8) So those last two groups of numbers look likt they might work out. They can both do combinations that give me the 40x, and they both relate to getting my -192. Also, because both the -192 and -14x^2 are negative, I know I am going to have multiple negatives in here somewhere. Yah, this one is not that easy. Hmm. If I had it available for doing this, I would use a poly solver and work backwards! Even a graph and work backwards from that would help with this one.

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

At this point I would have to brute force it using this method. Polynomeal division might have been easier, but you said you have not gotten to that yet.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Question though what do u mean by "brute force?"

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Trying things and seeing if they make sense. Not having much luck. I am trying some division at this point since I have 24, 8, 12, and 16 as likely suspects. I am not sure why you would have \(x^3-14x^2+40x-192\) before getting into dividing polynomials. I do not see much other coice for getting the answer.

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

OK. Through division I got to: \((x-12)(x^2-2x+16) \). That second part does not look like an easy factor, so it would need the quadratic formula.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Are you allowed to use a calculator to help solve it?

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Yah, a calculator to get the basics down would really have helped with this one!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well I wasn't told i couldn't

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

So, hmmm.... no using a calculator at all or, they just wanted the accurate answers and not a calculator approximation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no I can use it! casue I think the answer is supposed to be in decimal form

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Then use one :P

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

ell, if the calculator has a poly solver, that would certainly have heled. It would have let you know that (x-12) was a factor. What I did at the start is above. I found things that would divide into that -192. From knowing that those had to be related to 40, I found a few that were. Then, based off those two bits of information, I made a small list of things to try dividing out. But I don't know how you would do this one without either synthetic division or polynomeal long division. That is what I used next to het me to the (x-12) as a factor. So I got \((x-12)(x^2-2x+16)\), which tells em 12 is one solution for x. The \((x^2-2x+16)\) part I think needs the quadratic formula. The exact process I used is listed here: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/solvpoly.htm Sorry, but I don't have an easy step by step with this one! It was a little more complex than I expected.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No problem your explanation so far has helped a lot

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Well, I think you have a form you can solve at this point, if you know the quadratic formula.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks again!

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

np. Don't have too much fun!

OpenStudy (e.mccormick):

Oh, and that Purple Math site has a lot of very well done explanations. I used them a lot as an additon to my math book. The book would say it one way, Purple Math another, and between the two I could generally work it out.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks!

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