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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Expand the following: (2x + y)4 A. 8x+y^4 B. 16x^4 + 24x^3 y + 12x^2 y^2 + y^4 C. 16x^4 + 32x^3 y + 24x^2 y^2 + 8xy^3 + y^4 D. 16x^4 + 8x^3 y + 4x^2 y^2 + 2xy^3 + y^4

OpenStudy (luigi0210):

Do you know the binomial theorem?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I do, just want to check my answer.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what answer did you get?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did the problem a while back but I'm reviewing for a final and all it tells me is I got th answer correct. So I honestly don't know what my answer was.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well you can definitely rule out A because (2x)^4 = 16x^4

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the second term is found by first finding the binomial coefficient n C r = 4 C 1 = 4 then multiplying this with (2x)^3*(y)^1 I'll let you evaluate. Tell me what you get

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't know how this made sense to me before, but it's not making sense anymore...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok we can use pascals triangle

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

are you familiar with that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't think so...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so you've never seen anything like this http://ptri1.tripod.com/ptreal1r.gif

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's pascals triangle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nope. Never seen anything like that.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm ok, just checking

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well the numbers in each row are used to help expand binomials row 4 has the numbers 1, 4, 6, 4, 1 in it

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

those are used as coefficients for each term

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(2x)^4 = 16x^4 you multiply it with 1 to get 1*16x^4 so the first term is 16x^4 -------------------- (2x)^3*(y)^1 = 8x^3y then you multiply it with 4 to get 4*8x^3y = 32x^3y so the second term in the expansion is 32x^3y

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

this is enough info to pick out the answer, but you would keep going until you found the full expansion

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Where's that ^3 coming from? That parts confusing me.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sorry

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok we have (2x+y)^4 the two terms of the binomial are 2x and y

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

each term will be of this form C * (2x)^k * (y)^m where C = binomial coefficient (found in pascals triangle) k = starts at n and goes down until it hits 0 m = starts at 0 and counts up until it hits n

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the first term is 1*(2x)^4*(y)^0 the second term is 4*(2x)^3*(y)^1 the third term is 6*(2x)^2*(y)^2 etc etc Notice how the exponent over 2x is going down (4, 3, 2, ..) and the exponent over the y is going up (0, 1, 2, ...). The two exponents must add to n = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ohhhh.... Well, don't I feel stupid... I'm looking at the lesson reading and getting your help, and I saw that in the reading, but it didn't make sense to me until you explained it like that...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're fine and not stupid, so no worries

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

glad it's making sense now

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It makes a little more sense, but not completely still. It might have something to do with the fact that I've been working on math since 8:30 am though...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

probably

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

try taking a break and that might help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ha, if I take a break, I won't want to come back to continue working on it. So basically, I'm kinda SOL in the taking a break department...lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ah that sucks

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but I guess once it's done, it will be done

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, it will be. I'll survive. Might suffer from a migraine though.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah it's only temporary I guess

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah. Anyway, I've settled on an answer. The way you explained it, I'm thinking it'll be D.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it's not D

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

remember you're multiplying by 4 (this is found in pascals triangle)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the second term is 4*(2x)^3*(y)^1 4*(8x^3y) 32x^3y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha, yeah I started thinking about it after I typed that. My logical brain wasn't keeping up with me.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

i see lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So, how'd you get 8x^3?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you cube 2x and you raise y to the first power then multiply that out (2x)^3*(y)^1 = 8x^3*y = 8x^3y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So I understand how you got there, now I'm confused as to what I'm supposed to do next.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well if you look at my posts above, you'll see that the first term is 16x^4, the second term is 32x^3y

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's enough info to find the answer

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you can keep going if you want, but it's not necessary because we only have 4 choices

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha, okay okay okay, I think I understand now. I swear my brain is running with it at one point and then crawling like a wounded animal with it. But I looked up at your earlier posts, and I have to say I'm thoroughly embarrassed by how long my blonde moment lasted.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

lol it's fine, no worries

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Mind if I ask you a slightly less complicated math question? Lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sure go for it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How old are you? Lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

25 lol most complicated math question ever...took me that long to compute it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hahaha :P

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

lol thx for the mental workout

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No problem lol, everyday math is a challenge for me. I don't your kind of mind lol but give me a pen, a piece of paper and tell me to write...now that, that I could do with no problem.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well just keep at it, and you'll get better it's all about practice practice practice

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If only I had a quarter for every time someone told me that. Not saying I'd be rich but I'd at least have a job lol I really like math, I just don't have the brain for it sometimes. Like today, as you so noticed by my prolonged blonde moment.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well you're tired (both of just working and dealing with math all day), so that's understandable

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but I used to be quite bad with math myself when I was much younger, but kept practicing until I got better that's all it takes really

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Seems that way. Bad part, I really only like practicing writing, and singing lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that makes sense: you only want to practice the things you love

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but practicing math will help you in other areas in school and will help you be a better problem solver and such

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I love math, always have. It just takes a lot of time that I never really have to practice to the extent that I want. that's why I generally just stick to writing and singing, I can do both together for the same amount of time, but I can't focus on math while singing. So I then I don't practice and get rusty and then I have to ask people like you to help me, which unfortunately makes me feel inferior every time I ask.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

don't be, you're not inferior at all in any way

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

and it's good to ask questions...the more you ask, the better because it means you're curious and learning

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't like depending on someone to help me figure things out. I was raised to figure things out on my own lol which is a serious downfall sometimes.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

true, but being independent is better than relying on someone 24/7

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

just gotta find a way to strike a balance

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That's a math problem I've been struggling to figure out for almost 18 years now lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well I'm sure you'll find that perfect balance someday for sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hope so lol if I don't I'm gonna have one hell of a time with adult life.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you'll be fine, just don't give up when things get tough and don't be afraid to work hard

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm gonna be a professional baker one of these days, working hard isn't a fear of mine. Life in general is a fear of mine.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well I guess I meant "don't let laziness get in the way of hard work"...lol I guess it doesn't make sense to be afraid of hard work

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but I'm sure laziness isn't a problem of yours, so that's good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why do you think laziness isn't a problem for me? Lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

lol idk you seem like a hard worker (esp since you've been doing math since 8:30)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

but that's very cool you want to be a baker, a very very tasty job indeed lol idk if I could handle all the yummy smells and not eat all of my creations (before they were sent out)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha, well thankfully for me I don't eating sweets very much lol, but I've so far I've made a wedding cake, graduation cake, and graduation cupcakes lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

wedding cakes must be really tough, just given all the layers

OpenStudy (anonymous):

55 hours, roughly worked from 8am-12am, finished wedding cake was 3 tiers, 11 layers and 23 lbs. fully assembled lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yikes, hopefully that couple will stay together for a while lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha it was for my senior project. Me and my family were the ones who actually ate the cake. Not all of it of course but atleast we made a small dent before we all agreed we couldn't eat anymore of it lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

i see, what a very tasty way to end the year

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, too bad I won't be making my Aunt's wedding cake though lol glad I was able to make the graduation cake and cupcakes for my sister-in-law. And next month I'll be making my mom a birthday cake that isn't store bought lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

very "sweet"

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

homemade cake always wins over storebought (esp if you use a lot of butter lol)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That would require me to make buttercream icing lol which (thank god) I don't like eating lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ah party pooper lol, but I guess that's a good thing since it's probably not the healthiest thing in the world to eat

OpenStudy (anonymous):

None of the cakes I make are the healthiest things in the world to eat lol but oh well.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh well, gotta enjoy yourself and not worry about carbs and stuff (and eating nasty foods)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is the wedding cake and graduation cupcakes I made lol and very true, but I already don't like the way my body looks I don't want to have a reason to hate it further lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

looks very yummy and you shouldn't worry too much about that as long as you're healthy, that's what should matter most really

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Eh, consequence of being a constant eater when I was growing up lol I still haven't lost enough weight to be happy with myself. Here's the graduation cake I made. Unfortunately I wasn't able to take the picture before it started being served.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it was that yummy, couldn't get a complete photo of it before people started diving into it lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha that was my problem with the cupcakes. The cake was being served while I was napping. Working on that cake for 13 hours and not going to sleep until about 3 and then waking up at 7 didn't allow me to stay awake all day lol

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm doesn't sound fair at all, they should have at least waited til you got up

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