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OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do you find the standard deviation ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ideally with a calculator since doing it by hand takes a while

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what kind of calculator do you have

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im using the calculator on my phone cause i don't have one, and im kinda stuck on this question now.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yuck, don't use your phone

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

use wolfram alpha if you don't have something like a TI83

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what is your data set?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

109372, 176927, 245477, 203974, 279978 i know the mean, and thats 203145.6 but now im stuck and i need the standard deviation, and i will also need to get both the mean and the standard deviation for another set of numbers.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I used wolfram alpha to get this http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=standard+deviation+109372%2C+176927%2C+245477%2C+203974%2C+279978

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so it is roughly 65530.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but, this is what my assignment states : If you used your calculator's built-in functions to find the mean and the standard deviation, then you will need to say what brand and model of calculator you were using, and what steps and keys you used to find the mean and the standard deviation. Note: If your calculator shows both a sample standard deviation and a population standard deviation, make sure you use the population standard deviation for your answer. so i dont know if i can get any points without explaining.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok, then you have to stick with the basic functions of a calculator

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok so you managed to find the mean right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohmygosh i dont understand how to explain how i got it ... i typed it in google and got the same answer as you. yes, the mean is 203145.6

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok you would then subtract the mean from data value

OpenStudy (anonymous):

data value meaning everything added up correct?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

from each data value*

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sorry mistyped

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, okay

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if you have n data values, you'll have n differences

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i guess i dont understand now,

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the data values are 109372, 176927, 245477, 203974, 279978

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the mean is 203145.6

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

subtract the mean from each data value to get 109372-203145.6 = -93773.6 176927-203145.6 = -26218.6 245477-203145.6 = 42331.4 203974-203145.6 = 828.4 279978-203145.6 = 76832.4 So the differences are: -93773.6, -26218.6, 42331.4, 828.4, 76832.4

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you then square each difference, then add up the squares then you divide by 5 (since there are 5 data values) finally you take the square root of that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, thats what i thought you meant but i wasnt completely sure, the negative numbers confused me. i thought that wouldnt work out. so now i take √-93773.6 ? same with all the others?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

no square (not square root)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhh, i have no idea how to square the number ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ex: 3^2 = 3*3 = 9

OpenStudy (anonymous):

soo, -93773.6 ^ 2 ? im trying, but i really have no idea how to do these, so im slowly learning,

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah but you need to use parenthesis

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

because you need to include the negative as well

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, of course. so. let me try this, (-93773.6) ^ 2 = 8793488056.96 (that seems bad) but if i do that, then square it which means multiply by 3 so 8793488056.96 * 3 = 26380464170.88 what is going on with my numbers!?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

why are you multiplying by 3?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(-93773.6) ^ 2 = 8793488056.96 is correct (roughly)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i dont know, that was part of your example. lol. well that was embarrassing.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

oh I was just showing you what I meant when I said square it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, so what do i do after we have that number then ?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

let's finish up squaring each value

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

(-93773.6)^2 = 8793488056.96 (-26218.6)^2 = 687414985.96 (42331.4)^2 = 1791947425.96 (828.4)^2 = 686246.56 (76832.4)^2 = 5903217689.76

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Now add up each square: 8793488056.96+687414985.96+1791947425.96+686246.56+5903217689.76 = 17176754405.2 After this, you divide that sum by 5 (there are 5 data values originally) 17176754405.2/5 = 3,435,350,881.04 finally, you take the square root of this result to get the population standard deviation sqrt(3435350881.04) = 58,611.8663842059

OpenStudy (anonymous):

holy crap and thats it, those are all steps?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah I told you it's a lot...now imagine having to this with 10, 20, or 30 data values...not fun at all

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i just dont wanna do all this none sense again. but seriously, thank you for explaining that, cause i could look up the answer from multiple sites just couldnt figure out how they got it.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you're welcome

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