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OpenStudy (bambimonster):

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OpenStudy (bambimonster):

is it a no?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

P(Y <= (174.88 - mean)/std) ) where Y is the normal random distribution

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

so X is not 3 (apples?)

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

ok i guess not! it cant be anyway.. so what is the 3 apples for?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

Three apples throws a wrench into the problem...What is the distribution of the mean weight of 3 apples?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

I would expect the mean to be the same, but the variance to be different

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

I say no also, because this would not resemble the normal distribution for only 3 apples, selected at random -- because of the variance dependence on the number of samples

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

yeah thats what i thought as well. i ll submit in a bit and i will let you know if the answer was correct.. :) thanks @ybarrap

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

ok

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

oh i think i know how to solve this.. u have to use original std deviation x \[\sqrt{3}\] apples.. then u just have to take 174.88-157/std deviation x \[\sqrt{3}\

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

i was thinking that as well, but wan't 100%

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

yeah, so the working i gave above should be correct right? cos u said std dev shudnt be the same

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

i got the answer but its not in the choices given..

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

that would be my best guess. Only problem I have is that std/sqrt(n) is the standard deviation from the expected mean. Is that what we want? Usually when applying this technique, we want the standard deviation from the sample's mean. Which sounds like what we want.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

omg, its std dev/square root.. lol im so blur.. i did multiplication..

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

So you looked up P(Y < 1.63) ?

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

yup! got the same thing.. which is 0.9484

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

looks good

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

aite thanks a bunch! wud update u with the answer as im trying to solve other questions as well before submitting :D

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

yes

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

how about this question @ybarrap

OpenStudy (kropot72):

The upper limit of the confidence interval is \[157=\bar{x}+z\frac{19}{\sqrt{3}}\] Substituting 174.88 for the sample mean gives \[157=174.88+z\frac{19}{\sqrt{3}}\] Rearranging we get \[z=\frac{174.88-157}{\frac{19}{\sqrt{3}}}=1.63\] Reference to a standard normal distribution table using the z-score 1.63 shows the required probability is 0.9484

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

oh i figured.. its x= 7500.69 grams/50

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

then just do the normal equation thing like before

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

Same type of problem, but instead of \(\mu\) it would be \(n*\mu\) and variance would be \( n^{2}*Var(x)\), because now we are talking about a sum of n normally-distributed random variables.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

so it shud be 7500.69/50= 150.0138, (150.0138-157)/(19/sqr root 50)=-2.6 so probability is 1-0.047=-2.6

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

P( Sum > 7500.69) = P( (Sum - n*mean)/(n*19) > (7500.69 - n*mean)/(n*19) )

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

how did u get -2.56.. is my working above correct tho?

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

@ybarrap did u get z=-2.6 as well?

OpenStudy (kropot72):

@bambimonster Sorry, my bad. -2.6 is correct.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

okay thank you :)

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

P( Sum > 7500.69) = P( (Sum - n*mean)/(sqrt(n)*19) > (7500.69 - n*mean)/(sqrt(n)*19) ) =P(Y > -2.6), where Y is normally distributed

OpenStudy (kropot72):

The probability that the weight of the sample is less than 7500.69 grams is 0.0047, corresponding to a z-score of -2.6. Therefore the probability that the weight of the sample is greater than 7500.69 grams is 1.0000 - 0.0047 = ?

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

my answer is wrong... or isit -2.59.. cos i calculated again and it was -2.59 so it shud be 1-0.0048=0.9952?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

That's what I found, but I using that variance of a sum of n normal variables is n*Var(x)

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

approximate, definitely. But the means converge in distribution to the normal distribution as the number of sample gets larger by the central limit theorem

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

so shud i add that part to it?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

No, that's essentially what you already have.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

so i shudnt add that part cos i already explained?

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

yea, you said as n get larger it approaches normal distribution. That's what CLT says.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

oh okay.. sorry im very blur today.. :(

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

sound clear-minded to me

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

nah its like i ask questions that i already know the answer to it.. not those that idk.. and then i m making silly mistakes .. smh.. anyway thanks i got it all correct :)

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

nice

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

help @ybarrap

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

The CLT applies to any distribution's mean, regardless of what that distribution is. I think that you can use the same procedure as before, taking into account the sampling rate (i.e. dividing by sqrt(n)). You CAN calculate it, but you would not expect that the accuracy to be very high with such low sample. Part B is the same as we had before. I say that I would not want to use the process for the 3 samples, but would not have a problem using it for the 35 samples. Sorry for the ambiguity.

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

I hope this helps. I need to bug out for the night, but I will be back on tomorrow evening.

OpenStudy (bambimonster):

i used the same procedure.. but i didnt get it.. so yeah .. okay not a problem.. good night!

OpenStudy (ybarrap):

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