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OpenStudy (anonymous):

so I'm wondering how I can find the slope of the tangent line in this graph...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need to find when g'(2) and f'(2). do I just guess?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok I'm also wondering like when the line is going both directions... like when x=2 of the g(x) graph then which way do I look to see the slope of the tangent line? to the left or to the right? am I making sense? lol

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Well for f(x) it's pretty straight forward. That portion of the function (from x=-0.5 to x=3) is a straight line. So the slope is constant. If we can find the slope of that line segment, that value will also be the instantaneous slope anywhere inside that interval.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ah its you again!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

haha :3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right i agree with you but I don't know how to find the slope of the tangent line without a function...

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So I'm kind of estimating here, but it looks like we can grab a couple of coordinate points from f(x). \[\large (3,3.5) \qquad \qquad (-0.5,2)\] Using our formula for slope gives us, \[\large m=\frac{f(3)-f(-0.5)}{3.5-2}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

other than guessing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ah :) ok

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ya you kinda have to guess a little bit it looks like D:

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Woops I set that up really wrong :) one sec.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\large m=\frac{f(3)-f(-0.5)}{3-(-0.5)} \qquad\to\qquad m=\frac{3.5-2}{3-(-0.5)}\] That makes more sense.. I had my y values in the denominator before. woops.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

haha no worries.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1.5/3.5?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

ya that sounds right :O maybe it would look better if we wrote it as a fraction.. i dunno.\[\large \frac{\left(\dfrac{3}{2}\right)}{\left(\dfrac{7}{2}\right)} \qquad=\qquad \frac{3}{7}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok so that's my slope right?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Yah f'(2)=3/7. We have to kind of hope that we chose our coordinate pairs well though :p

zepdrix (zepdrix):

That's the slope of your line segment. But it's also the instantaneous rate of change at any point in that interval :) That's why that slope value works for our derivative. Blah that's a weird way to say that :P hope that's not confusing.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

About the question you had regarding g(x),

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Assuming the function is continuous at x=2, we could look to the left OR right to determine the slope. Because if it's continuous, it will be a nice smooth connection at x=2 and the slopes will be the same from the left and from the right side. If that was the case though (the function being continuous), we would simply choose to grab the slope from the left side because it's much easier to deal with a straight line as we saw with f(x).

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If the function is not continuous then they probably wouldn't had asked us to find g'(2)... So I guess we're ok :O

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok~

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So I think for g(x) we can do the same thing we did with f(x), hopefully :3

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So what coordinate pairs are you coming up with?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so just double checking thats the slope of the tangent line right?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

For f(x), we found the slope of a `secant line`. (A line passing through 2 points). Since it's a straight line, any tangent line in that interval will have the same slope as the secant line we found. So yes, we found the slope of the `tangent line` as well. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have a few... but is it wiser not to use zero's?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok :)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Mmm I don't think it matters, I would try to use the end points of that straight line though.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i estimated a couple points of (-1,-2.5) and (2,0)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

I think that first coordinate pair is (-1,-1.5). Check again real quick. The way the labeled the lines is really stupid. The number you read is the one above the line.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

-2 is the bottom edge of the graph.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oops my bad XD

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So toss that into your slope formula, what do you get? :3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-1.5/3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-0.5?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

(-1, -1.5) (2,0) \[\large m=\frac{f(2)-f(-1)}{2-(-1)}\qquad\to\qquad m=\frac{0-(-1.5)}{2-(-1)}=\frac{1}{2}\]I think it's positive 1/2 hmm.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i'm so sorry!!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah ur right!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

So that's probably an acceptable value for g'(2). Do you have an answer key or no? I wish we could check our work :o

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no answer key :( sadly but I was suppose to plug it in... to this product rule

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(fg)'

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so I did f'(2)*g(2)+f(2)*g'(2) am I on the right track?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh btw they said x=2.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

They want you to evaluate (fg)' at x=2? :o Hmm looks like you're on the right track.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this sounds really dumb but for f'(2) I'm suppose to write in the slope of the tangent line or the derivative at x=2 right?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Correct :o

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok thanks alot!!! sorry I left for a couple minutes!!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

np :3

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