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OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

inequality question - equation inside; PLEASE HELP!

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

\[\frac{ x + 5 }{ 4x } > 3\]

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

solve for x

OpenStudy (phi):

these are tricky. start with \[ \frac{ x + 5 }{ 4x } -3 > 0\]

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

okay... then what D:

OpenStudy (phi):

use a common denominator of 4x to change 3 to 12x/4x and subtract the two fractions. Can you do that ?

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

you lost me.

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

wait.... i got it

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

nevermind. i'm lost.

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ \frac{ x + 5 }{ 4x } -3 > 0 \\ \frac{ x + 5 }{ 4x } +\frac{-3\cdot 4x}{4x} > 0 \] when you have two fractions with the same denominator, you can add or subtract their tops, and put that result over the common denominator.

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

so then you get -11x + 5...all that over 4x?

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

i don't think anything can confuse me more than inequalities and stupid fractions.

OpenStudy (phi):

yes, \[ \frac{-11x + 5}{4x} > 0\] now you need to use this idea: a fraction A/B > 0 means A/B is a positive number. A/B will be positive if A is positive and B is positive OR both are negative.

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

well A isn't positive

OpenStudy (phi):

First Case: both top and bottom are positive. for that to be true we need -11x+5>0 and (at the same time) 4x > 0 can you solve for x ?

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

i don't freaking know, i got x < 5/11 and x < 0

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

i'm angry at myself not you. i'm so frustrated with not understanding this.

OpenStudy (phi):

let's first do 4x > 0 we can divide both sides by 4 x > 0/4 or x> 0 in other words 4x is positive as long as x is positive.... i.e. x>0 now -11x+5>0 it is *always safer* to add to both sides . add +11x to both sides -11x + 11x +5 > 11x 5 > 11x 5/11 > x or x < 5/11 we have x>0 and x<5/11 which we can write as 0 < x < 5/11

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

but you said x > 0, 0 < x is this opposite of that isn't it?

OpenStudy (phi):

the "big side" of > is next to the bigger number x > 0 (x bigger than zero) is the same thing as 0 < x (0 is less than x) if x is bigger than 0, then 0 is smaller than x

OpenStudy (phi):

Second Case: both are negative -11x+5< 0 and (at the same time) 4x < 0 what do you get for this case ?

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

okay. thank you. i have two more problems like this so i'm gonna try both of them in the same way this one was done

OpenStudy (phi):

can you finish this one?

OpenStudy (phi):

You should get -11x+5< 0 --> 5/11 < x 4x < 0 -----> x<0 you need both of these to be true at the same time (so we get a negative up top and a negative in the bottom). but x cannot be both less than 0 and at the same time greater than 5/11 so this case cannot happen. the final answer is 0 < x < 5/11 (from the first case)

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

so if i get x < 3/5 and x < 0, would my final answer be 0 < x < 3/5 ?

OpenStudy (phi):

I assume this is a different question. But if you need both conditions to be true *at the same time* x < 3/5 and x < 0 then you need x<0 (if x < 0 then both conditions are satisfied)

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

yes it is a different question. so would my answer be correct? because x < 0

OpenStudy (phi):

0 < x < 3/5 is short for x bigger than 0 and smaller than 3/5 (in other words, x is between 0 and 3/5 ) that is not the same as x<0 and x< 3/5

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

so what the heck am i supposed to put. x < 0 < 3/5 ?

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

or 3/5 > 0 > x ?

OpenStudy (phi):

remember, the pointy end (smaller, narrow end) of < is next to the smaller number ***so what the heck am i supposed to put. x < 0 < 3/5*** it would be nice to see the original problem, but what you have found is you need one expression to be x<0 and the other expression to be x<3/5 (to get the correct signs) you can think of it like this: x<0 (for example x=-1, "works" for -1<3/5) both expressions will have the correct sign. but even though x=1/5 works for 1/5< 3/5, it does not work for 1/5 < 0 (no, 0 is smaller than 1/5)

OpenStudy (katherinesmith):

one of my expressions was x < 0 and the other was x < 3/5. it works. my question is how do i write the final answer. do you want me to post the whole problem? i think i did it right but if you would like to check my work and do it yourself i don't mind posting it.

OpenStudy (phi):

one of my expressions was x < 0 and the other was x < 3/5 The main idea is that both must be true at the same time. if we plot them, like this |dw:1377562259382:dw|

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