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OpenStudy (sanra123):

can anyone help plz

OpenStudy (skullpatrol):

Place a penny on each vertex of the polygon(9 PENNYS). Take turns removing one penny or two pennies from adjacent vertices. The player who picks up the last coin(s) is the winner. TELL WEATHER ITS TRUE OR FALSE WHY Connor: If the first player removes one penny, I’ll visualize the line of symmetry containing the “empty” vertex and remove the two adjacent pennies on opposite sides of the symmetry line. If the first player removes two pennies on the first move, then I’ll visualize the line of symmetry between the two empty vertices and remove the penny on the symmetry line. This strategy will always leave three pennies on each side of the symmetry line after we each make our first move. After that, I’ll match each play the first player makes by choosing the mirror image. So, I’ll be able to remove the final coin(s)

OpenStudy (sanra123):

@skullpatrol thanks for your help!

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Are you convinced, there will be 3 pennies on either side of line-of-symmetry, after each makes their first move ?

OpenStudy (sanra123):

so is this strategy true or not? @ganeshie8

OpenStudy (sanra123):

@Chineseboy15 can u help if u are a lifesaver?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

well the question is not just asking if its true or not. the question is asking, if its true why its true; and if its false, why its false

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you will have to take it step by step and convince urself if it works always

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ya thats right @ganeshie8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

can u try, and answer my question above (my first reply)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, I cannot open your attachment, sanra123.

OpenStudy (sanra123):

@Chineseboy15 here

OpenStudy (sanra123):

im convinced

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

and we assume that the strategy is only for Nonagon; we dont care about other polygons

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ok..

OpenStudy (sanra123):

true

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good, so we're left wid 3 pennies on either side of the line-of-symmetry.

OpenStudy (sanra123):

true..

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lets talk about second move now

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

second move : the first player has two choices : he can take two ADJACENT pennies, or just one penny

OpenStudy (sanra123):

yes thats true

OpenStudy (sanra123):

@ganeshie8 ? are u there

OpenStudy (sanra123):

@Chineseboy15 i posted it can u help

OpenStudy (sanra123):

Place a penny on each vertex of the polygon(9 PENNYS). Take turns removing one penny or two pennies from adjacent vertices. The player who picks up the last coin(s) is the winner. TELL WEATHER ITS TRUE OR FALSE WHY Connor: If the first player removes one penny, I’ll visualize the line of symmetry containing the “empty” vertex and remove the two adjacent pennies on opposite sides of the symmetry line. If the first player removes two pennies on the first move, then I’ll visualize the line of symmetry between the two empty vertices and remove the penny on the symmetry line. This strategy will always leave three pennies on each side of the symmetry line after we each make our first move. After that, I’ll match each play the first player makes by choosing the mirror image. So, I’ll be able to remove the final coin(s)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will try.

OpenStudy (sanra123):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Let us play this game, all right?

OpenStudy (sanra123):

kk

OpenStudy (sanra123):

9 coins

OpenStudy (sanra123):

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OpenStudy (sanra123):

u

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

sorry was on phone, can we finish now ?

OpenStudy (sanra123):

okk lets finish

OpenStudy (sanra123):

now as u said he will have 2 choices

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Continued... that means : In second move, the First player can only take two pennies from ONLY ONE SIDE

OpenStudy (sanra123):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if he takes two pennies, he CANNOT take them from opposite sides of line of symmetry. (WHY ? )

OpenStudy (sanra123):

there will be space

OpenStudy (sanra123):

right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Exactly ! there will be space, and the pennies on opposite sides are NEVER adjacent... Cuz, he broke it in the first move... he divided the pennies into two groups... both are disconnected

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ya now i get it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

So, on second move : IF the first player takes 2 pennies on one side, the second player can take 2 pennies on opposite side

OpenStudy (sanra123):

so now how will we write it false, because...................

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

After second move, there will be two pennies left, one on each side of line-of-symmetry

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

wat happens during third move ?

OpenStudy (sanra123):

each one takes 1 penny?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

whi is the winner ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

*who

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

why ? u forgot the rules it seems

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

whoever takes the LAST penny is the winner

OpenStudy (sanra123):

ohhhh right sorry!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, my computer lost the connection.

OpenStudy (sanra123):

now.. the strategy is false,.........................

OpenStudy (sanra123):

right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the second player always has the tempo he is forcing the first player to leave one penny in the end.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

second player is always winning, by this strategy. so... ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

id leave the conclusion to you, you may have to go through this exercise again to *see* why the second player always wins if he sticks to this strategy.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have said that we can play this game.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (sanra123):

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