Question

gods existence , does it matter?

Answer 1

hello

Answer 2

So, what do I have to tell you now? If he matters or what? i thought I told u already 0_0

Answer 3

now we won't lose your arguments

Answer 4

ive rebutted each point

Answer 5

whats the word for rebuttal, whatever it is

Answer 6

i 'blocked' it, to use a martial arts term

Answer 7

You want to know his Signs?

Answer 8

well, my argument was if god wants me to know he exists, he should make it obvious. just as you would do if you want someone to know you exist

Answer 9

Let me tell that.

Answer 10

would you get angry at a girl if you sent her a love letter but did not give her any email or any pic of yourself , and then she forgot about you?

Answer 11

you sent her a 'sign'., flowers

Answer 12

you sent her very deep poetry. she is intrigued. she eventually forgets about you because she stops receiving these deep love letters

Answer 13

you can send her your name, but remember, no pic! no visible evidence you exist

Answer 14

i dont find those stories to be compelling , they sound like legends or stories that were embellished by the followers

Answer 15

Now, the test for "US" (us not United States lol) is to Believe in him upon looking at the Signs he gave back then...

Answer 16

Just wait a second, these are not Just Stories. Muslims are not SOO stupid to follow simple Legends.

Answer 17

disco, its not about being stupid. they didnt know better

Answer 18

disco, when people believed the earth doesnt move , but the sun does. is that stupid?

Answer 19

theres a difference between not knowing better and being stupid. but this word stupid is kind of unclear to me. what do you mean by it

Answer 20

im not saying Muslim people's IQ are low by todays standard. its set by genetics

Answer 21

This next part you wouldn't believe but "Quran" is not any book. It's a book of Gods words and not a Human. After it was brought down on "Holy Prophet (p.b.u.h) it has stayed the Same. NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT. Unlike the Bible.

Answer 22

well, it looks like just a bunch of guys making wild claims , i mean as an outsider

Answer 23

that god invested them with special powers , etc

Answer 24

Well it will most probably look like it.

Answer 25

im just saying, from my point of view. i cant comment on someone being born muslim, thats different

Answer 26

if someone is born muslim and follows the ways of his parents and community, then he is just doing what everyone else is doing.

Answer 27

But truth be told, i was born a Muslim. I know my religion from Childhood and many aspects are still left for me (as a 16 year old). So, there are many of Your Questions that only a Scholar could Answer.

Answer 28

wait, that doesnt make sense. you believe in god because there are many questions that only a scholar could answer?

Answer 29

As from what I know about my religion now and looking at other religions. Islam is Perfect and the Truth. (would seem weird for an Outsider to believe in it)

Answer 30

ok, here's a question that a scholar cant answer. god has no explanation for his own existence, so god doesnt know why he exists

Answer 31

I told you, this Life is temporary and our Goal is to Seek the truth. Im not saying that I don't believe in God. Im saying that that I know ONLY the Aspects of Islam.

Answer 32

ok , well i cant comment on that , since i was not born muslim. but lets go back to the original issue. you claim that god wants me , right now, to know he exists and worship him

Answer 33

and im saying that if this is true, god should make a serious effort to make his existence known to me. and since god is omnipotent, it should be clear as day.

Answer 34

As Im a student. I have "Islamiat" as a Subject. And I do know one thing. The Verification of the "Words" of Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H).

Answer 35

How it is verified and stuff.

Answer 36

the omnipotence part is a necessary link to this argument. if god is not omnipotent, then he simply cannot make himself known to everyone for whatever reason,

Answer 37

what is PBUH?

Answer 38

LEMME GOOGLE THAT WORD.

Answer 39

sure

Answer 40

P.B.U.H means "Peace Be Upon Him"

Answer 41

there seems to be some vicious circularity in your claims about islam, but ill set aside that for now

Answer 42

He Is Omnipotent.

Answer 43

So, you think of the Question as "You believe in God, but don't know how it matters"?

Answer 44

we lost a lot of good tells in the chat room, unfortunately

Answer 45

my question is, if god does exist, why does it matter. why cant we ignore god

Answer 46

i mean , my life is presently unaffected by gods existence , *if* god exists.

Answer 47

Yes!!!!!

Answer 48

It affects your life but you don't know. WHAT it will effect, is your real life.

Answer 49

i mean, if its just an intellectual statement, fine. like, here is how the universe began, god did it. ok. now im going to ignore god, and go back to searching for causal explanations

Answer 50

what am i supposed to do with this information

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which im not even sure is true. its a hypothesis

Answer 52

This, this flesh and blood is temporary and what God has sent you for the reason is for you to believe in him. If you don't well then you will be Judged.

Answer 53

by the way, this is more or less called deism. i argued the position of a deist

Answer 54

deism was popular in europe in the 1700s-1800s

Answer 55

OK I think I should refer to you from Holy Quran.

Answer 56

, late 1600s i guess , we can wiki it

Answer 57

What God says about himself... Listen.

Answer 58

ok

Answer 59

It's a big Surah, it may take time....

Answer 60

Ayat-ul-Kursi (2:255):

"Allah! There is no god but He, the Living, the self-subsisting, eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on the earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permits? He knows what is before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass any of His knowledge except as He wills. His Throne (Kursi) extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme."

This should define the meaning of "Omnipotence". If not then I have Surahs from Holy Quran about Allah himself, Allah and his relation with the Created world and Allah and his relation with his Messengers (Prophets). If you want to read from any of them, tell i can write some of them. But the Source is Quran.

Answer 61

ok got it

Answer 62

it doesnt really address any point i made, though

Answer 63

This Ayat of Surah Baqarah is known as Ayat-ul-Kursi - the verse of the Throne - the Throne being the Symbol of Power and authority. The ayat gives a perfect Knowledge about Allah and deals with His attributes in a comprehensive manner. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) declared it to be a great verse of the Holy Quran.

Answer 64

Yes, it is only the Surah. Not the Explanation...

Answer 65

I think your Point mostly surrounds why he matters and his relation with the Created world. I can write a Surah of that...

Answer 66

oh i thought you were going to address my claim. it seems odd that if god wanted me to know he exists now he does not make it patently obvious using his omnipotent powers. unless you argue that god enjoys humans hunting for god , searching for him. which is fine, but you have to accept then that *some* people will do other things. Like in the example with the girl getting anonymous love letters, some girls will be intrigued while others will just ignore it after a while.

Answer 67

you can spend some time searching for god, getting no clues, and then drop it. in other words. so in the case of the girl, she does a google search , gets nowhere, and then forgets about it .

Answer 68

" Nor shall they compass any of His knowledge except as He wills. }
implies
if god wanted you to know he exists you would

Answer 69

unkle, nice quote, is that Psalms?

Answer 70

Surah Zilzaal (99)

"1. When the earth is shaken to her utmost convulsion, 2. And the earth throws up her burdens, 3. And man cries out: 'What is the matter with her?' ,4. On that day will she declare her tidings: 5. For that your Lord will have given her Inspiration. 6. On that day will men proceed in companies sorted out, to be shown their deeds. 7. Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good see it! 8. And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil shall see it."

This tells why God matters.

Answer 71

i think it seems logical to say god does not want me to know he exists. it does not make sense to say that it would take away my free will if i knew god exists. there is no free will in the first place if youre not sure that god exists. free will would imply that you have the choice to believe and not believe that god exists. but existence is one of those things that you either feel compelled to believe or you don't. in other words, you dont have a choice. if you show up on my front door, i dont really have a choice to doubt your existence.

Answer 72

the issue of free will i think would be that you did meet god, then you decide for whatever reason that you dislike god. just as in the scenario of the girl and the anonymous lover, she finally does meet him and decides he isn't as interesting as she thought

Answer 73

Let me find the Surah for God's relation with his Messengers as that's how he showed his existence. And if still Man doesn't believe in God, God has said he will be judged on atoms weight of Deed.

Answer 74

it doesnt make sense for an anonymous lover to avoid meeting the girl that *he* likes because he doesn't want to take away her free will to like him.

Answer 75

in fact, the only one who has free will in this game is god, since he chooses not to reveal himself in an obvious unambiguous way

Answer 76

the ball is in gods court, assuming god exists. its his move

Answer 77

Why would God show his Existence again? As he did it already and at the Last messenger he said that he has given the book, the knowledge, the faith, and now it's up to Humans to live their life believing or not believing in God, well if you don't believe then you will still be Judged.

God doesn't need to show his Existence again, as It will ruin the point of everything and why we live our daily lives.

Im not expecting for you to straight away change your Faith here, if you did then It would be really stupid, yes i know it will be stupid. But the REAL Answer is out there. In your Life, that's the point of Life, not everything in this Argument. You have free will over trying to find God, or simply ignoring him, ignore him and be judged. Find and try to seek him, I GUARANTEE you 101% that you will find God (Allah) if you try hard enough.

Answer 78

if you argue that god cant reveal himself because then it would force us to love and adore him, then i would say then thats god problem, not mine. he created us in such a way that we suddenly lose free will to worship god upon knowing certainly that god exists.