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OpenStudy (doc.brown):

Square root help, pls?

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

\[\sqrt{2x^2}+2x=2\]

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

what do you need to do? solve it..?

OpenStudy (gorv):

(2x^2)^1/2=(2-2x) square both sides 2x^2=(2-2x)^2 2x^2=4+4x^2-2*2*2x 2x^2=4+4x^2-8x 0=4x^2-2x^2-8x+4 2x^2-8x+4=0 take 2 common x^2-4x+2=0

OpenStudy (gorv):

find its factor now

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

@campbell_st I want to know what x is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think I've got it, but it could be wrong, \[\sqrt{2x ^{2}} +2x = 2\] \[x \sqrt{2} +2x = 2\] Now factorise (take out the common factor, which is x) \[x(\sqrt{2} + 2) = 2\] Now take the part in brackets over to the other side to get x by itself. \[x = 2 - (\sqrt{2} - 2)\] careful of the minus \[x = 2 - \sqrt{2} - 2\] \[x = \sqrt{2}\] hopefully that's right :)

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

ok... you have 2 choices... 1. complete the square 2. general quadratic formula

OpenStudy (gorv):

use perfect square metohd to find x

OpenStudy (gorv):

x^2-4x+2=0 make a perfect square

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

@rhiannon1 that doesn't work

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Didn't think i was right ... oh well

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

both methods result in the same answer, its a case of which you're more comfortable with.

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

and if you wait long enough... someone always gives the answer

OpenStudy (gorv):

x^2-2*2*x+2^2-2^2+2=0 x^2-2*2*x+2^2=(x-2)^2=perfect square (x-2)^2-2^2+2=0 (x-2)^2-4+2=0 (x-2)^2-2=0 (x_2)^2=2 take root both side x-2=root 2 x=2+root 2

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

see, there you go.. an answer...

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

@ gorv I still don't see how my question got to (2x^2)^1/2=(2-2x)

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

\[\sqrt{2x^2}+2x=2\]subtract 2x from both sides\[\sqrt{2x^2}=2-2x\]Now rewrite left side as a fractional exponent:\[(2x^2)^{1/2} = (2-2x)\] \[\sqrt{x} = x^{1/2}\]

OpenStudy (gorv):

i just moved 2x on other side ..and it will become negative on moving on other side

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

ok.. the 1st step in solving is to subtract 2x from both sides of the equation which becomes \[\sqrt{2x^2} = 2 - 2x\] next step is to square bothsides of the equation. The right hand side is a binomial so you have \[(\sqrt{2x^2})^2 = (2 - 2x)^2\] hope it helps

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

Ah! I saw \[\frac{(2x^2)^1}{2}=(2-2x)\] I though gorn was nuts

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

yeah, he should have put parentheses around the 1/2 what he wrote is what you saw, by operator precedence

OpenStudy (gorv):

or u can write \[\sqrt{2x^{2}}=\sqrt{2}*\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{2}*x\]

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

only if you know or assume that x>0

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

it is greater than 0

OpenStudy (gorv):

\[\sqrt{2} *x+2x=2\]

OpenStudy (gorv):

\[x*(\sqrt{2}+2)=2\]

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

\[x=2\pm\sqrt{2}\] thanks

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

No, that's not true — now you need to check for extraneous solutions...

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

Yeah I can measure it here, it's 3.4 or 0.6 All good thanks!

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Try them both out in the original equation.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

\[\sqrt{(2+\sqrt{2})^2} + 2(2+\sqrt{2}) = 2\]You really think that's going to be true?!? Even if we completely ignore the \(\sqrt{2}\) terms (which only make the left side larger), that's still\[\sqrt{2^2} + 2(2) = 2\]That isn't true in my experience...

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Sorry, that should be \[\sqrt{2(2+\sqrt{2})^2} + 2(2+\sqrt{2}) = 2\]Even less likely :-)

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

I'm just kidding, I don't need the answer, I just need to find out how to get square roots unstuck, in this kind of case. I'm sorry to make you waste you time on it @whpalmer4

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

In general, if you start out with a radical sign on one side of the equation, and during the process of solving, you square both sides, you have to check for the introduction of extraneous solutions, such as this one.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

I'm only wasting my time if you don't pay attention to this important point.

OpenStudy (doc.brown):

This looks good, I'l watch it now. Thanks @whpalmer4

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