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@mathmale Can you try this?
well did you try replacing \[a \text{ with } A_1+B_1i \text{ and } b \text{ with } A_2+B_2i \text{ and } c \text{ with } A_3+B_3i , \\ A_1,A_2,A_3,B_1,B_2,B_3 \\ \text{ are real numbers}\] I don't know if this helps but we can try to see.
ir I wonder what would happen if we just square both sides of that one equation
I would try that last thing first
Substituting A1+B1i seems to be a long process. I remember doing a similar problem before. In that the property used was z (z bar)=(mod z)^2. But I dont remember how they used it.
\[x+y+z=0 => (x+y+z)^2=0^2 => \\ ((x+y)+z)^2=(x+y)^2+2z(x+y)+z^2 \\ =x^2+2xy+y^2+2zx+2zy+z^2 \\= x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2zx+2zy \\=x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+zx+zy)=0 \] => \[x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+zx+zy)\]
Then this is the part where I guess more thinking is needed.
combine fractions on the right hand side
multiply everything out on top and bottom I think we should see something
yep
that wasn't too bad did you get it yet?
if you do what I said in latex and then do the whole combining of fractions on the right hand side and then do all the multiplying on top and bottom you will see a nice surprise
Sorry I was away. I will take a look at that now.
Do you see what I'm talking about yet?
Doing simplification steps.
I am stuck here: \[R.E.=\dfrac{-2b}{c-a} \times( \dfrac{(a^2-ab+bc-c^2)}{(b-c)(a-b)}+\dfrac{ca}{(a-b)(b-c)})\]
well what did you do..
i mean whoa
Substituted for xy,yz,zx and simplified.
Oh wait I think I made a terrible mistake :P
\[x+y+z=0 => (x+y+z)^2=0^2 => \\ ((x+y)+z)^2=(x+y)^2+2z(x+y)+z^2 \\ =x^2+2xy+y^2+2zx+2zy+z^2 \\= x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2zx+2zy \\=x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+zx+zy)=0 \] \[x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+zx+zy) \] So we have \[-2(\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{c}{a-b}+\frac{b}{c-a}\frac{c}{a-b})\] You need to find a common denominator then write the fractions as one
\[-2(\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{b}{c-a} \frac{a-b}{a-b}+\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{c}{a-b}\frac{c-a}{c-a}+\frac{b}{c-a}\frac{c}{a-b}\frac{b-c}{b-c})\] Now write the fractions as one
multiply everything on top out multiply everything on bottom out
Should I again regroup on numerator?
I want you to multiply everything out on top a*b*(a-b) also a*c*(c-a) also b*c*(b-c)
Which gives me: \[\dfrac{a^2b-b^2a+b^2c-bc^2+c^2+c^2a-ca^2}{(c-a)(b-c)(a-b)}\]
*neglect that c^2 typo
now multiply the bottom
a^2b +b^2c -ab^2 +ac^2 -a^2c -bc^2
Now what to do? :O
ok look at the top and look at the bottom what do you notice?
Identical!!
Also did you distribute that 2 a long time ago or not?
i mean that negative?
No so -2 is answer.
I think something happen to a negative? Because I got 2.
I will check my answer again You check yours too
I think your answer is right since options are all positive.
maybe you didn't multiply the bottom correctly
or maybe everything looked so similar you thought it was identitcal
and it was the opposite
Oh okay.
Thanks for the help!!
\[\frac{ab(a-b)+ac(c-a)+bc(b-c)}{(b-c)(c-a)(a-b)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{(bc-ab-c^2+ca)(a-b)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{(abc-b^2c-a^2b+ab^2-c^2a+c^2b+ca^2-acb)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{-a^2b+ab^2-ac^2+a^2c-b^2c+bc^2}\]
so we have -2(-1)=2
Okay :)
I never expected the denominator to come out like that!
let me try once. hihihi \[\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b}=0\] \[(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] \[((\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})+\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] open the bracket \[(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})^2+2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})*\frac{c}{a-b}+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})*\frac{c}{a-b}+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] so that , \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}) \] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2 =-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b} )-2\frac{c}{a-b} \] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2 =-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2\frac{c}{a-b} \]
I got 2 as well, but I'm not going to show my work because I had Mathematica do it for me :-)
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