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OpenStudy (aravindg):

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OpenStudy (aravindg):

OpenStudy (aravindg):

@whpalmer4

OpenStudy (aravindg):

@AccessDenied , @ganeshie8

OpenStudy (aravindg):

@mathmale Can you try this?

myininaya (myininaya):

well did you try replacing \[a \text{ with } A_1+B_1i \text{ and } b \text{ with } A_2+B_2i \text{ and } c \text{ with } A_3+B_3i , \\ A_1,A_2,A_3,B_1,B_2,B_3 \\ \text{ are real numbers}\] I don't know if this helps but we can try to see.

myininaya (myininaya):

ir I wonder what would happen if we just square both sides of that one equation

myininaya (myininaya):

I would try that last thing first

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Substituting A1+B1i seems to be a long process. I remember doing a similar problem before. In that the property used was z (z bar)=(mod z)^2. But I dont remember how they used it.

myininaya (myininaya):

\[x+y+z=0 => (x+y+z)^2=0^2 => \\ ((x+y)+z)^2=(x+y)^2+2z(x+y)+z^2 \\ =x^2+2xy+y^2+2zx+2zy+z^2 \\= x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2zx+2zy \\=x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+zx+zy)=0 \] => \[x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+zx+zy)\]

myininaya (myininaya):

Then this is the part where I guess more thinking is needed.

myininaya (myininaya):

combine fractions on the right hand side

myininaya (myininaya):

multiply everything out on top and bottom I think we should see something

myininaya (myininaya):

yep

myininaya (myininaya):

that wasn't too bad did you get it yet?

myininaya (myininaya):

if you do what I said in latex and then do the whole combining of fractions on the right hand side and then do all the multiplying on top and bottom you will see a nice surprise

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Sorry I was away. I will take a look at that now.

myininaya (myininaya):

Do you see what I'm talking about yet?

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Doing simplification steps.

OpenStudy (aravindg):

I am stuck here: \[R.E.=\dfrac{-2b}{c-a} \times( \dfrac{(a^2-ab+bc-c^2)}{(b-c)(a-b)}+\dfrac{ca}{(a-b)(b-c)})\]

myininaya (myininaya):

well what did you do..

myininaya (myininaya):

i mean whoa

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Substituted for xy,yz,zx and simplified.

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Oh wait I think I made a terrible mistake :P

myininaya (myininaya):

\[x+y+z=0 => (x+y+z)^2=0^2 => \\ ((x+y)+z)^2=(x+y)^2+2z(x+y)+z^2 \\ =x^2+2xy+y^2+2zx+2zy+z^2 \\= x^2+y^2+z^2+2xy+2zx+2zy \\=x^2+y^2+z^2+2(xy+zx+zy)=0 \] \[x^2+y^2+z^2=-2(xy+zx+zy) \] So we have \[-2(\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{c}{a-b}+\frac{b}{c-a}\frac{c}{a-b})\] You need to find a common denominator then write the fractions as one

myininaya (myininaya):

\[-2(\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{b}{c-a} \frac{a-b}{a-b}+\frac{a}{b-c}\frac{c}{a-b}\frac{c-a}{c-a}+\frac{b}{c-a}\frac{c}{a-b}\frac{b-c}{b-c})\] Now write the fractions as one

myininaya (myininaya):

multiply everything on top out multiply everything on bottom out

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Should I again regroup on numerator?

myininaya (myininaya):

I want you to multiply everything out on top a*b*(a-b) also a*c*(c-a) also b*c*(b-c)

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Which gives me: \[\dfrac{a^2b-b^2a+b^2c-bc^2+c^2+c^2a-ca^2}{(c-a)(b-c)(a-b)}\]

OpenStudy (aravindg):

*neglect that c^2 typo

myininaya (myininaya):

now multiply the bottom

OpenStudy (aravindg):

a^2b +b^2c -ab^2 +ac^2 -a^2c -bc^2

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Now what to do? :O

myininaya (myininaya):

ok look at the top and look at the bottom what do you notice?

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Identical!!

myininaya (myininaya):

Also did you distribute that 2 a long time ago or not?

myininaya (myininaya):

i mean that negative?

OpenStudy (aravindg):

No so -2 is answer.

myininaya (myininaya):

I think something happen to a negative? Because I got 2.

myininaya (myininaya):

I will check my answer again You check yours too

OpenStudy (aravindg):

I think your answer is right since options are all positive.

myininaya (myininaya):

maybe you didn't multiply the bottom correctly

myininaya (myininaya):

or maybe everything looked so similar you thought it was identitcal

myininaya (myininaya):

and it was the opposite

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Oh okay.

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Thanks for the help!!

myininaya (myininaya):

\[\frac{ab(a-b)+ac(c-a)+bc(b-c)}{(b-c)(c-a)(a-b)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{(bc-ab-c^2+ca)(a-b)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{(abc-b^2c-a^2b+ab^2-c^2a+c^2b+ca^2-acb)} \\ \frac{a^2b-ab^2+ac^2-a^2c+b^2c-bc^2}{-a^2b+ab^2-ac^2+a^2c-b^2c+bc^2}\]

myininaya (myininaya):

so we have -2(-1)=2

OpenStudy (aravindg):

Okay :)

OpenStudy (aravindg):

I never expected the denominator to come out like that!

OpenStudy (loser66):

let me try once. hihihi \[\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b}=0\] \[(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] \[((\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})+\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] open the bracket \[(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})^2+2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})*\frac{c}{a-b}+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a})*\frac{c}{a-b}+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=0\] so that , \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2=-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}) \] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2 =-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2(\frac{a}{b-c}+\frac{b}{c-a}+\frac{c}{a-b} )-2\frac{c}{a-b} \] \[(\frac{a}{b-c})^2+(\frac{b}{c-a})^2+(\frac{c}{a-b})^2 =-2\frac{ab}{(b-c)(c-a)}-2\frac{c}{a-b} \]

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

I got 2 as well, but I'm not going to show my work because I had Mathematica do it for me :-)

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