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OpenStudy (sjg13e):

Help: Radical expression

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

\[ \frac{ (5-(1/\sqrt{5})) }{ 1+(1/\sqrt{5})) } \]

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

here's a better representation \[\frac{ 5-\frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{5} } }{ 1+\frac{ 1 }{ \sqrt{5} } }\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\huge\color{black}{ \frac{5-\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}}{1+\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}} }\) \(\huge\color{black}{ \frac{\frac{5\sqrt{5}}{\sqrt{5}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}}{\frac{\sqrt{5}}{\sqrt{5}}+\frac{1 }{\sqrt{5}}} }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\huge\color{black}{ \frac{\frac{5\sqrt{5}}{\sqrt{5}}-\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}}{\frac{\sqrt{5}}{\sqrt{5}}+\frac{1 }{\sqrt{5}}} }\) \(\huge\color{black}{ \frac{\frac{5\sqrt{5}-1}{\sqrt{5}}}{\frac{\sqrt{5}+1}{\sqrt{5}}} }\)

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

what i have so far: numerator- \[\frac{ 5\sqrt{5}-1 }{ \sqrt{5} }\] denominator- \[\frac{\sqrt{5}+1 }{ \sqrt{5} }\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

divide top and bottom by square root of 5.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

and you are correct for what you got so far... now divide by square root of 5 on top and bottom, you get ?

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

so to do that i would take the reciprocal of the denominator and multiply it with the numerator?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes, in other words, you flip the second fraction, and multiply

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Good that you are familiar with the rules. That makes me smile.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

\[\frac{ \sqrt{5}(5\sqrt{5}-1) }{ \sqrt{5}(\sqrt{5}+1) } = \frac{ 25 - \sqrt{5} }{ 5+\sqrt{5} }\]

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

i think i messed up while distributing

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

I am taking the first side of the last thing you wrote. And THERE, why can't you just cancel the square root of 5 on top and bottom ?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

the square root of 5, on top and bottom , those that are in front of the parenthesis.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

oh wow

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

And you didn't mess up. You are completely correct.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

you're right

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

wow ?

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

i should've just cancelled the sqrt5

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yeah.. just go ahead and cancel the square roots of 5.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

tell me what you get after that.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

So the answer is 5sqrt5 - 1 over sqrt5 + 1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

but this is not the answer.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you are not allowed to have a radical in the denominator. Multiply both sides times the denominator's conjugate.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

oh okay. i need rationalize the denominator right?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yeaahh !!! :)

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay, i'll do that right now. give me a sec

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

sure :) I'll just retype the last step.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\huge\color{ blue }{\huge {\bbox[5pt, cyan ,border:2px solid purple ]{ \frac{5\sqrt{5}-1}{1+\sqrt{5}} }}}\)

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

thanks so much!

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

I'm almost done lol

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes, I would prefer you to finish the problem here, so that I can make sure it is correct. (Not like I am a teach.. but)

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

\[\frac{ (5\sqrt{5}-1)(\sqrt{5}-1) }{ (\sqrt{5)^2}-(1)^2 }= \frac{ ? }{ 4 }\]

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay so i have to distribute the numerator

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes, you would need to just simplify" distribute, or whatever you want to call it ... the denominator. First though, I would finish doing the numerator.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

\[numerator- 25 - 5\sqrt{5} - \sqrt{5} + 1\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you are multiplying by \(\normalsize\color{black}{ \sqrt{5}-1}\) on top and bottom, no ?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

and that is no the same as \(\normalsize\color{black}{ 1-\sqrt{5}}\)

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay thanks. i corrected it

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

wait, but I'm still confused. what's the next step? I'm still stuck at 5sqrt5 - 1 / sqrt5 +1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\LARGE\color{black}{ \frac{5\sqrt{5}-1}{\sqrt{5}+1} }\) \(\LARGE\color{black}{ \frac{(5\sqrt{5}-1)\color{red}{(\sqrt{5}-1)}}{(\sqrt{5}+1)\color{red}{(\sqrt{5}-1)}} }\) \(\LARGE\color{black}{ \frac{(5\sqrt{5}-1)\color{red}{(\sqrt{5}-1)}}{\sqrt{5}^2-1^2} }\) \(\LARGE\color{black}{ \frac{(5\sqrt{5}-1)\color{red}{(\sqrt{5}-1)}}{5-1} }\) \(\LARGE\color{black}{ \frac{(5\sqrt{5}-1)\color{red}{(\sqrt{5}-1)}}{4} }\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Tell me if you are god with THIS ...

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay, yeah I'm good with that. that's what i had before

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes, but you then multiplied times the 1-sqrt5, instead of multiplying times sqrt5-1

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

oh okay, i see what you're saying now

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes, and your answer is going to be ? ....

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

\[ \frac{ 25 - 6\sqrt{5} + 1 }{ 4 }\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yes, and then add like terms on the top, and divide by 2, (you can call it "war" or cancel 2) on top and bottom.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

or \[\frac{ 26 - 6\sqrt{5} }{ 4}\]

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay so 13 - 6sqrt5 / 2

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

not sqrt6. You divide the entire top by 2.

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

oh, so \[\frac{ 13 - 3\sqrt{5} }{ 2 }\]

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

yup !

OpenStudy (sjg13e):

okay thank you very much!!

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

You welcome !

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