If there are 24 ways to arrange the letters A,B,C,D: a. How many derangements are there? (23?) b. How many have exactly 1 letter in the correct place? (9?) c. 2 letters? (4?) d. 3 letters? (0?) e. 4 letters? (1?) f. No letters? (9?) g. What is the sum of the answers to b-f? (23?) h. What have and question number is the answer in question g equal to?
This is what I have
Do you have to list all 9 derangements of ABCD?
Yep. Duh! I was thinking arrangements the whole time (it's the wording of the questions I think. But still not sure about the answers I am getting.
Let's try that again BADC BCDA BDAC CADB CDAB CDBA DABC DCAB DCBA
Got that.
The subsequent questions are asking how many of the ARRANGEMENTS have exactly______ in the correct place?
Okay - well you got it again LOL Okay so just the first part of the question has to due with derangements. The rest refer to arrangements.
Right.
I am showing 7 arrangements with exactly one letter in correct place now.
4 with exactly 2 in correct order
I'm working on showing all 24 arrangements of ABCD I think that will help
I attached those in a picture earlier. It was just missing ABCD
Oh gee, well here they are A B C D A B D C A C B D A C D B A D B C A D C B B A C D B A D C B C A D B C D A B D A C B D C A C A B D C A D B C B A D C B D A C D A B C D B A D A B C D A C B D B A C D B C A D C B A D C A B Okay I'll look for how many are in the correct oreder.
Okay, I think I have all the correct orders right now and the sum of the =24.
I count 8 with exactly 1 letter in the correct place A C B D A D C B B C A D B D C A C A B D C B A D D A C B D B A C
That's what I have.
6 with exactly 2
None with exactly 3
1 with exactly 4
And then the 9 with none.
Hmmmmmmm looks like the first one A C B D is wrong - that has 2 in the correct place
Second one also has 2 letters in correct place ARRGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I did that the first time also. But I still had 8 with one
ACDB ADBC BCAD BDCA CADB CBDA DACB DBAC
what is the difference between a derangement and an arrangement?
(im just curious)
A derangement has no object in its correct place.
oh
An arrangement could have one or more in the correct place
so you can count these by no letters in the right place 1 letter in the right place 2 letters in the right place 3 letters in the right place 4 letters in the right place
arrangements are 1 or more letters in the incorrect place
Right. However, In this case, you won't have any with 3 letters in the correct place. Since there are four letters, if three are in correct places, then all four are in the correct place.
An arrangement can also have all values (letters) in the correct place.
good point :)
Derangements - NO letters in correct place 9 1 letter in correct place 9 2 letters in correct place 5 4 letters in correct place 1
Hmmmmm, on my second and third count, I got 8 and 6. :/
Yes I think 8 and 6 is correct
As far as derangements there is a formula so I know that number is correct: http://www.1728.org/derange.htm As far as 1 number and 2 numbers, I'm sure there must be a formula but I'm not familiar with it.
The sum would be 24 of course.
bcurley Do you need the actual arrangements for 1 letter and 2 letters? (I have those on a separate spreadsheet and it would be VERY EASY to copy and paste.)
So now where I am stuck is the question that says "What value and question number (letter) in the answer in "g" equal to?"
No, no need to list the different variations. Just asks how many.
Okay - as far as the total (I can't see ALL the questions) I imagine the answer is the sum of the derangements, 1 letter 2 letter, etc would equal the total number of arrangements. 24
Hang on...
This shows all the questions as written on the paper.
Okay it is what I said. The answers to all those questions about the derangements, 1 letter in correct place, etc would equal ALL possible arragements.
She did give us the hint of (Sum). Took me a minute to realize that.
Okay - then I guess we are all set. :-) Okay see ya.
Thanks. I appreciate it.
u r welcome :-)
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