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OpenStudy (zephyr141):

vectors help please.

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

An objects motion is describes by a position vector r=x(t)i + y(t)j, where x(t)=-0.31t^2+7.2t+28 and y(t)=0.22t^2-9.1t+30. find the velocity of the object after t=5s.

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

it's asking for the velocity so i don't have to take the derivative of anything right? just plug in the 5 into the equations? @surry99

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

if i do it that way i get r=56.5i-10j

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

please you have to calculate the subsequent derivatives first: \[\frac{ dx }{ dt },\frac{ dy }{ dt }\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

to get V you need to take dr/dt

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

so it's going to end up as r=4.2i-6.9j ??

OpenStudy (surry99):

how did you arrive at that?

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

uhhh... i took the derivative of the x(t) and y(t) functions then plugged it into the r function

OpenStudy (surry99):

not quite....if you use Pythagoras: V = (Vx^2 + Vy^2) ^1/2

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

@zephyr141 please calculate your derivatives, at time t=5

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

\[x(t)=-0.3t^2+7.2+28\]\[x'(t)=-0.6t+7.2\]\[x'(5)=-0.6(5)+7.2=4.2i\]for the x. then y i get\[y'(5)=0.44(5)-9.1=-6.9j\]then i plugged that into\[r=4.2i-6.9j\]

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

that's right!

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

so plugging into @surry99 i get 8.077 units/s

OpenStudy (surry99):

That is V = 4.2i - 6.9...it is not r since you took the derivatives

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

hmm.... so to find r do i just leave the equations alone and not take the derivatives?

OpenStudy (surry99):

oops typo... V=4.2i−6.9j

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

@zephyr141 please note that @surry99 is right! it is \[\frac{ dr }{ dt }\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

If you wanted r only then you just sub in the expressions and then r is a function of time. Then you took the derivatives of both sides with respect to t to give your result: V=4.2i−6.9j

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

@zephyr141 using the formula written by @surry99 you will get 8.08

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

so just\[r=(-0.3t^2+7.2t+28)i+(0.22t^2-9.1t+30)j\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

yes that is r then you take the derivative of both side wrt to time and that gives you the velocity expression at any time.

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

\[\frac{ dr }{ dt }=\left( \frac{ dx }{ dt },\frac{ dy }{ dt } \right)=\] \[=\left( -0.6t +7.2,0.44t-9.1 \right)\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

So V =( -.6t +7.2)i + (.44t-9.1)j Now you can plug in any time t and find the velocity in terms of the i and j unit vectors. The final step is to get the magnitude of the velocity which is where Pythagoras comes in since the i and j component vectors are at right angles to each other. V = (Vx^2 + Vy^2)^1/2 where Vx = dx/dt and Vy = dy/dt

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

ok so the answer is one of the four here: A. r(5)=4.2i-6.9j B. r(5)=-0.62i+0.44j C. r(5)=56.3i-10j D. r(5)=2.1i-3.5j

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

please, note that you have v(5), not r(5), so A.

OpenStudy (surry99):

These are just the position vectors they have provided not velocity. So: r(t) =(−0.3t2+7.2t+28)i+(0.22t2−9.1t+30)j for t = 5 r(5) = (-.3(5)^2 + 7.2(5) + 28) i + (.22(5)^2 - 9.1(5) + 30) j r(5) = 56.5 i + -10 j

OpenStudy (surry99):

r(t) =(−0.31t2+7.2t+28)i+(0.22t2−9.1t+30)j (you had -.3t^2 it is -.31t^2 in the first term) r(5) = 56.3 i + -10j

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

alrighty

OpenStudy (surry99):

Does it all make sense to you now?

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

yeah. i'm getting there. i'm going to reread that section of the book now.

OpenStudy (surry99):

ok, basically what you have in this problem is you start with: r(t) - position as a function of time if you know want the velocity as a function of time, you take the derivative of both sides wrt to time. they could also ask for acceleration as a function of time so you would then take the derivative wrt to time of both sides of the velocity expression So to review: r(t) =(−0.31t2+7.2t+28)i+(0.22t2−9.1t+30)j v(t) = dr/dt = (-.62t + 7.2) i + (.44t - 9.1) j a(t) = dv/dt = -.62i + .44 j

OpenStudy (surry99):

note that acceleration components are actually independent of time

OpenStudy (surry99):

ok so the answer is one of the four here: A. r(5)=4.2i-6.9j B. r(5)=-0.62i+0.44j C. r(5)=56.3i-10j D. r(5)=2.1i-3.5j One other very important point, the notation that is being used in these answers all represent position vectors ...r(t). If they are asking for velocity, the notation should change such as v(t) if they are asking for acceleration , the notation should change to a(t)

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

If a particular force has a potential energy U(x)=3x-6x^3 find an expression for the force. so what i did here was to take the derivative again like the previous question i asked and got\[U'(x)=F(x)=3-18x^2\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

yes

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

Sorry, I think if U(x) is conservative, then, we can write: \[F _{x}=-\frac{ \partial U }{ \partial x }=18x ^{2}-3\]

OpenStudy (surry99):

Note the negative sign @zephyr141

OpenStudy (zephyr141):

i see it. so does that mean 18x2-3 is the correct one

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

@zephyr141 if U(x) is conservative!

OpenStudy (surry99):

if U(x) is conservative then F= 18x^2-3

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