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OpenStudy (loser66):

Prove that an even number cannot divide an odd number. Please, help

OpenStudy (loser66):

Let m is an odd number then m can be expressed as m = 2k +1 for some k in Z n is an even number, then n can be expressed as n = 2s for some s in Z then we need prove \(2s\cancel{|} 2k+1\)

OpenStudy (loser66):

@FibonacciChick666

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

hey I think I can do this!!!!!

OpenStudy (loser66):

Please

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok what does the prime factorization of an even number always include?

OpenStudy (loser66):

2

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok what primes will be included in an odd number's prime factorization?

OpenStudy (loser66):

3

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

or all odd primes :)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

what do we know about prime numbers?

OpenStudy (loser66):

yup

OpenStudy (loser66):

gcd (a, b) =1

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok so you have an odd prime factorization and an even prime factorization, what number will never ever have a match?

OpenStudy (loser66):

I lost. :)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

lol it's ok, you'll see give me a sec

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

\(m=2k+1=p_1p_2p_3...p_m\) where p is an odd prime. \(n=2k=2p_1p_2p_3...p_n\) where p is an odd prime. (the primes can be to powers too, but I'm not typing that. you get the point

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

write m/n as it's prime factorizations.

OpenStudy (loser66):

Actually, the original problem is : Prove that if G be a finite group of odd order, then subgroups of G cannot have even order. My work is Let H <G, |G| = 2m +1 suppose |H| = 2n suppose |H|| |G|, that is 2n |2m+1 then \(2m\equiv 1\) (mod 2n) but \(2m\equiv 0\) (mod 2n) hence \(0\equiv 1\) (mod 2n) contradiction, Hence \(2n\cancel{|} 2m+1\) And I got full credit for this argument. BUT SHAME ON ME. I review for final and don't get how \(2m\equiv 0\) (mod n\) You see!! I am such a "good" student, hahaha....

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

wait you don't get how 2m is 0 mod 2n?

OpenStudy (loser66):

I did, but not now, hahaha

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

oh lol that's a lot simpler than the one I was making ok what is 2mod2=?

OpenStudy (loser66):

0

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok how about 4 mod2?

OpenStudy (loser66):

0

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

6mod 2?

OpenStudy (loser66):

0

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

10987654321098765432 mod 2

OpenStudy (loser66):

0 but it is 2n, not 2

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

hint it ends in a 2 :)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

how else can you write 6?

OpenStudy (loser66):

2*3

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

okhow about 12?

OpenStudy (loser66):

2*6

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok, and how about 26?

OpenStudy (loser66):

2*13

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

doesn't that look just like 2 times a number? aka 2n

OpenStudy (loser66):

then?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

that's it. because it is even, it is 0 mod 2

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

you should have used just 2 instead of 2n in my opinions, but your teacher didn't mind that

OpenStudy (loser66):

if it is 2, quite simple, I confuse when it is 2n

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok, so you have a generic even number

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

I actually don't think this works with 2n... O.O

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

I can explain using prime factorizations, but using mods I would so use 2

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

not 2n

OpenStudy (loser66):

hahaha... you confuse also....

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

oh wait

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

now i get it

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

ok i always get uber confused on proofs by contra

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

okkkk so if 2n|2m+1 we know that 2m+1=0mod 2n right?

OpenStudy (loser66):

yes

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

if it is divisible by 2n we have to have a 0 congruency, but we also know that 2m+1 is an odd number. That means that is has to be the same as 2m+1=1mod(2n)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

but when we subtract one from both we get 2m=0mod2n, which since 2m+1=0mod2n, attains our contradiction

OpenStudy (loser66):

Yeah... I think it is back to me, I got it . Thanks friend.

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

lol np, give me things I can do any day :D

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