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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
Find the sum of the geometric sum: 12+36+108+ ... + 78,732
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
354,288
118,092
39,360
1,062,876
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
@freckles
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
hi can you help me
OpenStudy (welshfella):
sum of n terms = a1 * r^n - 1
------
r - 1
r = common ratio = 36/12 = 3, a1 = first term = 12
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok
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OpenStudy (welshfella):
now we need to find the value of n
the general form is a1 , a1*r , a*1r^2
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok
OpenStudy (welshfella):
so the nth term = a1 r^(n-1)
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
you know i actually like you u actually show me hoe and not except me to do it
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
you actually show how to do it so for that I THANKS YOU
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
most poeple just say the formula crap
OpenStudy (welshfella):
well let 78,732 = 12* r^(n-1)
we need to solve this for n
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok whats r
OpenStudy (welshfella):
oh sorry r = 3
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
then what do i do
OpenStudy (welshfella):
Ok divide both sides by 12 gives
3^(n-1) = 6561
OpenStudy (welshfella):
now you can find the value of n by taking logs of both sides
can you do that?
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
yes i got the A option
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
also just know that mathman said it was C
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
so what did you get dude
OpenStudy (welshfella):
I dont think its either
taking logs
(n -1) ln 3 = ln 6561
n - 1 = ln6561 / ln 3 = 8
n = 9
OpenStudy (welshfella):
so S9 = 12 * 3^9 - 1
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3 - 1
OpenStudy (welshfella):
can you work that out?
OpenStudy (welshfella):
3^9 = 19683
so subtract 1 from that
then divide by 2
then multiply by 12 and you have the answer
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
yes one sec
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
you cant do that its a deciaml
OpenStudy (welshfella):
??
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
u cant do that
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
u get a decimal
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
dude just tell me what you got
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
@freckles
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
i keep getting decimals
OpenStudy (welshfella):
I can tell you the answer but I'd rather you work it out from the expression I gave you
its 12 * (3^9 - 1) / 2
just grab ur calculator and compute it
OpenStudy (freckles):
\[12 \cdot \frac{1-3^9}{1-3}\]
what did you get when you input into the calculator @Howard-Wolowitz ?
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OpenStudy (freckles):
this one actually comes out to be a pretty whole number
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
let me do that
OpenStudy (welshfella):
yes
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
i got -19685
OpenStudy (welshfella):
no
are you doing the calculations in the right order/
first work out 3^9
then subtract 1 from the result
then divide by 2
finally multiply by 12
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OpenStudy (freckles):
what kinda calculator are you using?
it is a ti-83 or one of those one entry type calculators ?
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
my phone
OpenStudy (freckles):
ewww
so it is most likely one entry
can your phone do exponents?
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok i did the frist step and got 19683
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
then the second step got me to 19682
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OpenStudy (freckles):
so then you ahve this
\[12 \cdot \frac{1-19683}{1-3}\]
OpenStudy (welshfella):
thats correct
now subtarct 1 from that
OpenStudy (freckles):
\[12 \cdot \frac{-19682}{1-3}\]
OpenStudy (welshfella):
or you can do its freckles way
OpenStudy (freckles):
either way
it doesn't matter
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
the third i got a decimal
OpenStudy (welshfella):
it will give the same result
OpenStudy (freckles):
wait how did you get a decimal ?
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
i cant do it that way freckles on my phone
OpenStudy (freckles):
1-3=?
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
-2
OpenStudy (freckles):
\[12 \cdot \frac{-19682}{-2} \\ 12 \cdot \frac{19682}{2}\]
OpenStudy (freckles):
so how did you get a decimal here ?
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
third is 9841 1/2
OpenStudy (freckles):
how did you get that
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
or 19683/2
OpenStudy (freckles):
\[12 \cdot \frac{19682}{2} \text{ is the same as } \frac{12}{2} \cdot 19682 \]
without using a calculator tell me what is 12/2 ?
OpenStudy (welshfella):
- you dont find a third - you divide by 2
the 3 -1 on bottom is worked out first before you do the divide
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
ok so now just do that ok one sec
OpenStudy (freckles):
\[12 \cdot \frac{1-3^9}{1-3}=\frac{12}{1-3} \cdot (1-3^9)=\frac{12}{-2}(-19682) \\ =\frac{12}{2}(19682)=6(19682)=?\]
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OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
Ok I got B
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
118,092
OpenStudy (howard-wolowitz):
is that right
OpenStudy (freckles):
ok
and you might want to practice on the actual calculator that you can use on a test
OpenStudy (freckles):
pretty sure most instructors don't let you use phones on test