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OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

What is the probability that at least 2 people have the same birth month in a group of 6 people?

OpenStudy (rizags):

what grade is this?

OpenStudy (rizags):

what grade is this for

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

well its algebra 2

OpenStudy (rizags):

ok on it

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

thx

OpenStudy (rizags):

ok got it

OpenStudy (rizags):

do u want the answer or explained?

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

explained pls

OpenStudy (rizags):

ok 1 sec brb

OpenStudy (rizags):

so lets begin

OpenStudy (rizags):

to start this problem, it is helpful to calculate the exact opposite of what u said, in other words, calculate the porbability that in a group of 6, NO ONE will have same birth month

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

okay

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

so thats 1/12

OpenStudy (rizags):

no, not exactly

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

or is it (1/12)^6

OpenStudy (rizags):

it is equal to \[\frac{ \prod_{7}^{12} }{ 12^{6} }\]

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

what is that thing on top????

OpenStudy (rizags):

this may look intimidating, but it is simply (12/12)(11/12)(10/12)(9/12)(8/12)(7/12)

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

oh is that a permutation on top?

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

okay yea that makes sense

OpenStudy (rizags):

the reason for which this is correct is that the first term is the probability that the first person has the same birthday as himself (12/12). The second term is the probability that the SECOND person has a DIFFERENt birthday than the first. The THIRD term is the prob that the THIRD person has a dif birthday from the first and second ppl and so on down the sixth person

OpenStudy (rizags):

multiplying all these terms gives the summative probability that in a group of 6, NO ONE will have same birth month

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

mhm or u could just do the permutation of the whole thing and divide it by the extra :D

OpenStudy (rizags):

nah thats not a permutation

OpenStudy (rizags):

its a product sign. it means multiply all the terms from 7 to 12

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

is it a permutation on top? xD

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

okay nvm I'll just write it all out.

OpenStudy (rizags):

heres the thing, permutations wont help here because its strictly conditional

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

ok

OpenStudy (rizags):

that is NOT a permutation, it is simply a condensed version of the product (12/12)(11/12)(10/12)(9/12)(8/12)(7/12)

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

ight

OpenStudy (rizags):

do u understand why i am multiplying these terms and what they mean?

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

yup

OpenStudy (rizags):

ok cool now from here

OpenStudy (rizags):

from here, i need u to understand that the probablitiy that in a group of 6, NO ONE will have same birth month, PLUS the probability that in a group of 6, AT LEAST 2 PPL will have same birth month, is equal to EXACtly 1. Do u understand why this is?

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

why is that equal to 1?

OpenStudy (rizags):

yes? no?

OpenStudy (rizags):

ok, that is equal to 1 because it includes ALL THE POSSIBLITIES. look at it this way, either i have the same birthmonth as you, or i dont!

OpenStudy (rizags):

get it now? brb btw

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

oh okay i get it sort of..

OpenStudy (rizags):

alrite so the prob i dont have the same bday as anyone in my group of 6, is P(d). the prob that i have the same b day w at least another person in my group of 6, is P(s). Since this encompasses EVERYTHING, ALL POSSIBLITIES, then P(d) + P(s) = 1, or 100%. get itnow?

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

yeah i got it now

OpenStudy (rizags):

alrite so can you calculate that P(d) for me? use the (12/12)(11/12)...(7/12) i gave u before

OpenStudy (rizags):

helooooo thatonegirlll

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

.2228 @rizags sorry went to eat

OpenStudy (rizags):

alrite. so subtract that from 1, then multiply by 100 and you get your answer in a percent

OpenStudy (rizags):

medal plz :)

OpenStudy (thatonegirl_):

Thanks so much!! @rizags

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