Prove that the given series converges or diverges (below)
\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}nsin (\frac{ 1 }{ n })\]
Try the limit test?
Do you mean the limit comparison test?
Because if so, I have no idea what I would compare it to
Yeah \[a_n = n \sin (1/n)\] \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} n \sin (1/n)\]
let n = 1/x
Using divergence test
\[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} 1/x \sin x\] our limit becomes as such then
Now you can apply L'Hospital's rule and notice it will diverge
Why did you pick 1/x?
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And how did sinx get in the denominator
It's just a substitution and it's not. \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ 1 }{ x} sinx\]
I see now. Thank you!!!
Wait, why did you take the limit? Thats not one of the tests I was given
And why did you take the limit as x->0?
I used the divergence test
You learn it during integral test I think
Ok so let me just do it again
I know the limit comparison test, but thats different
I also know the nth term test, but thats for infinity
\[\large a_n = n \sin \left( \frac{ 1 }{ n } \right)\] \[\large \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} n \sin \left( \frac{ 1 }{ n } \right)\] We know the series diverges if \[\large \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n \neq 0\] We make a substitution \[\large n = \frac{ 1 }{ x }\] so as n goes to infinity we know x = 0
\[\large \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \left( \frac{ 1 }{ x } \right) \sin(x) \implies \frac{ 0 }{ 0 } \implies \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \cos(x) = \cos(0) = 1\]
So this is the nth term test?
Yes!
What about the times when sinx=0?
What's sin(0) ? :P
I'm very confused. The nth term test says that terms are getting larger (so it diverges) or smaller (so it converges)
@amistre64
It doesn't even prove convergence. If the terms are getting smaller, you have to do another test
@perl
\[n = \frac{1}{1/n}\]
Yes
Then I substituted x in for 1/n. Then I had no idea what to do
squeeze thrm .... you learn this sin(x)/x as x to zero very early on might be useful here
Why do I care what the function is doing as x approaches 0? I'm supposed to prove that it converges or diverges
So we can change the limit
The only limit tests I was given involve infinity
Astro started it, good luck :)
I'm still confused :/
\[n = \frac{ 1 }{ x }\] so as n approaches infinity note that x = 0
x goes to 0
So our limit changes to \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ 1 }{ x } \sin(x)\]
What do you mean as n approaches infinity x=0?
I meant x approaches inifinity
Do you mean the function approaches 0 as n-> infinity?
Yes
Ok
\[n -> \infty~~~x -> 0\]
Yes
I hope that makes sense now :)
So you substituted into the limit???
Yeah, we're just making a substitution for n.
I think you're just overthinking this
I probably am. Calculus is doing this to me. I think that I get it now though. So when you sub 0 in, it goes to infinity, so it diverges
No, it doesn't go to infinity, it's 1 so it diverges. \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n \neq 0\] for it to diverge.
if you plug 0 into 1/x sinx?
Please read over everything I've said
I'm confused again
What happens \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ \sin(x) }{ x }\]
0/0->L'hopital->1 Lol of course I overthought it
Yes :)
I quit calculus
Naw, we all have these days
It happens sometimes when you are learning something new
The struggle is more important than the answer, so this way you learn better, it works out at the end :) at least I hope it does.
Yeah, I guess. I understood everything really well until we got to series. Thanks for helping me!!! I really appreciate it!
No worries, take care.
this is why people give up on something that is a beautiful as it is simple.
Wut lol
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