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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Prove that the given series converges or diverges (below)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}nsin (\frac{ 1 }{ n })\]

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Try the limit test?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you mean the limit comparison test?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because if so, I have no idea what I would compare it to

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yeah \[a_n = n \sin (1/n)\] \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} n \sin (1/n)\]

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

let n = 1/x

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Using divergence test

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} 1/x \sin x\] our limit becomes as such then

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Now you can apply L'Hospital's rule and notice it will diverge

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why did you pick 1/x?

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

And how did sinx get in the denominator

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

It's just a substitution and it's not. \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ 1 }{ x} sinx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I see now. Thank you!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait, why did you take the limit? Thats not one of the tests I was given

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And why did you take the limit as x->0?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

I used the divergence test

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

You learn it during integral test I think

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Ok so let me just do it again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know the limit comparison test, but thats different

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I also know the nth term test, but thats for infinity

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

\[\large a_n = n \sin \left( \frac{ 1 }{ n } \right)\] \[\large \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} n \sin \left( \frac{ 1 }{ n } \right)\] We know the series diverges if \[\large \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n \neq 0\] We make a substitution \[\large n = \frac{ 1 }{ x }\] so as n goes to infinity we know x = 0

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

\[\large \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \left( \frac{ 1 }{ x } \right) \sin(x) \implies \frac{ 0 }{ 0 } \implies \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \cos(x) = \cos(0) = 1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So this is the nth term test?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yes!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What about the times when sinx=0?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

What's sin(0) ? :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm very confused. The nth term test says that terms are getting larger (so it diverges) or smaller (so it converges)

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

@amistre64

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It doesn't even prove convergence. If the terms are getting smaller, you have to do another test

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

@perl

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[n = \frac{1}{1/n}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then I substituted x in for 1/n. Then I had no idea what to do

OpenStudy (amistre64):

squeeze thrm .... you learn this sin(x)/x as x to zero very early on might be useful here

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why do I care what the function is doing as x approaches 0? I'm supposed to prove that it converges or diverges

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

So we can change the limit

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The only limit tests I was given involve infinity

OpenStudy (amistre64):

Astro started it, good luck :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm still confused :/

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

\[n = \frac{ 1 }{ x }\] so as n approaches infinity note that x = 0

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

x goes to 0

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

So our limit changes to \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ 1 }{ x } \sin(x)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What do you mean as n approaches infinity x=0?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

I meant x approaches inifinity

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you mean the function approaches 0 as n-> infinity?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

\[n -> \infty~~~x -> 0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

I hope that makes sense now :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So you substituted into the limit???

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yeah, we're just making a substitution for n.

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

I think you're just overthinking this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I probably am. Calculus is doing this to me. I think that I get it now though. So when you sub 0 in, it goes to infinity, so it diverges

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

No, it doesn't go to infinity, it's 1 so it diverges. \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_n \neq 0\] for it to diverge.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you plug 0 into 1/x sinx?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Please read over everything I've said

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm confused again

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

What happens \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{ \sin(x) }{ x }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

0/0->L'hopital->1 Lol of course I overthought it

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Yes :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I quit calculus

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Naw, we all have these days

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

It happens sometimes when you are learning something new

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

The struggle is more important than the answer, so this way you learn better, it works out at the end :) at least I hope it does.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, I guess. I understood everything really well until we got to series. Thanks for helping me!!! I really appreciate it!

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

No worries, take care.

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

this is why people give up on something that is a beautiful as it is simple.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wut lol

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