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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Could you check this for me?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know its not step 4 or step 5.. Im thinking its step 6 but im not 100% sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@dan815

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

why are you thinking step 6?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well I tried to work out the formula and i got to step 5 and it matched up with the steps to step 5 in the pictures. And when i tried to do step 6 i got something different. Maybe i messed up in step 4 or 5 but i believe it would be step 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I believe it would be step 6*

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

look at step 3, what is done on this step?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If its not step 6 thats alright, Do you think you could just help me work through the problem?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Theyre making the equation equal to -c/a

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what operation are they doing to both sides in step 2 to get to step 3?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Dividing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well wait they change c/a into -c/a why did that happen?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

notice how the c/a moves from one side to the other how did they get it to move

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im not sure?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

they subtracted c/a from both sides

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

c/a is just a number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

By making it equal to 0?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okay i see

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

'a' and 'c' are numbers so c/a is some number (a is nonzero)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay i see

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So how would you tell which step had the mistake?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so is step 6 incorrect?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont think it would be now would it?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah that -c/a is valid since step 3 is valid

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So it is incorrect? or is it correct i got confused, sorry..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It would be correct wouldnt it?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah step 6 is actually correct

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay so how would we find out which one is wrong?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what else were you thinking was incorrect?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Step 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well since step 6 was right would it be step 7 just by process of elimination?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

why is step 7 incorrect?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well i only say that because since step 6 correct doesnt that mean the steps before it are correct too?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

well you could have something like step 2 incorrect, and then have it build up with correct steps (3 through 7) but that's not the case here. It turns out step 7 is indeed the incorrect one, but your reasoning/logic is flawed unfortunately. There is another reason why step 7 is incorrect. Look at the transition between step 6 and step 7. What is different?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

They changed it to b/4a^2?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

they have (b/2a)^2 in step 6 but then it changes to (b/4a)^2 in step 7

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

why does it change to 4a?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Umm im not sure? Its not suppose to be 4a is it? I thought thats why step 7 is incorrect?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it should stay as 2a, yeah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay i understand

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have like a little question to ask before you leave

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

go ahead

OpenStudy (anonymous):

When a question asks what are the solutions to the equation f(x) = g(x)? would the solutions be where they intercept eachother or when they intercept the x axis?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

f(x) = g(x) is when the two curves cross or intersect each other f(x) - g(x) = 0 has you looking for the roots

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

think of h(x) = f(x) - g(x) solving h(x) = 0 will give you the roots or x-intercepts

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

the roots of h(x) correspond to the x coordinates of the intersection of f and g

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well these likes are curved and cross eachother so would it be where they cross eachother?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah anywhere you have an intersection point between f and g

OpenStudy (anonymous):

heres the picture

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

it doesn't work for me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

that's what i see

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

ok your second pic works

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So would it be where they cross eachother?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yes and i spot 3 points in which they do so

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But what confuses me is all the answers say "x ="

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Like an example would be x = -1.9, 0.8, 4.1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

they want the x coordinates of the intersection points

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay so x = -1.9, 0.8, 4.1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

would be the correct answer

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

example f(x) = 2x+5 g(x) = 3x^2-7 solve f(x) = g(x), which is the same as saying 2x+5 = 3x^2-7, to get x = -1.69, 2.36 (solutions are approximate)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah those x values you listed look good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay i see

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you very much, Sir.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yw

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jim_thompson5910 Im so sorry to bother you again but this is the last question im confused upon

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do you think you could help me? Or should i open a new question and ask it there?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

either way is fine

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The product of (a - b)(a - b) is a2 - b2. Sometimes Always Never

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So i was completely confused about this so I went to another openstudy question that asked this but there were different answers. One said never because after you work out the answer it would equal (a-b)^2 the someone said it would be never because after you solve it would be a whole number. Then someone said sometimes because you can use some formula to move the a and b around to where it would equal a2 - b2 sometimes?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think it would be never because when you solve this it would be (a-b)^2 is that correct?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

why not try replacing a and b with numbers? see what happens example: a = 2, b = 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because it would be the same term multiplied by the same term. So it would just be to the second power right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay so 2-7 would be -5

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what is (a-b)*(a-b) equal to when a = 2, b = 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

would it be 2^2 - 7^2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

plug it into (a-b)*(a-b)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(2-7)(2-7)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

which results to what?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

25?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yep, what is a^2 - b^2 equal to when a = 2, b = 7

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2^2 - 7^2

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

compute that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im sorry i dont know what that means

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh calculate..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

-45

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

so (a-b)*(a-b) = a^2 - b^2 turns into 25 = -45 when you plug in the 'a' and b values and calculate

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Since 25 = -45 is false, this makes (a-b)*(a-b) = a^2 - b^2 false for that (a,b) pair we can see that (a-b)*(a-b) = a^2 - b^2 isn't always true. But can we say "it's never true" ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im not sure? Can it ever be true with a different set of numbers?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

When i take test I like to think that Never is a very strong work and i dont ever pick never if im uncertain because i feel like theres sometimes a possibility.. SO would the answer be sometimes?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if it's sometimes, then what is one (a,b) pair that could work?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont think there is any actually

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

there are actually infinitely many pairs. Look at small numbers like -1,0,1,2,...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So it would be sometimes?

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