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OpenStudy (babynini):

Ellipses

OpenStudy (babynini):

OpenStudy (babynini):

@freckles

OpenStudy (babynini):

@rational

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh I know where I calculated wrong. in that c/a and forgot that a was =4 and not 2

OpenStudy (babynini):

would it be b^2 = 2?

OpenStudy (babynini):

nope that's not right either.

OpenStudy (babynini):

@rvc do you know how to do these?

OpenStudy (babynini):

@jim_thompson5910

rvc (rvc):

bad at circle and conics sorry :(

OpenStudy (babynini):

Thanks for looking at it though. Ah well.

rvc (rvc):

@divu.mkr help please :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

first off we find a from the major axis a= 4 then we find c by looking at the eccentricity c/a = sq7/2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

focii on y axis means that the major axis is on Y aix and you are given with the length of major axis and ecc.. you can find minor axis from that data

OpenStudy (anonymous):

axis**

OpenStudy (alekos):

It would have a vertical major axis so (x-h)^2/b^2 + (y-k)^2/a^2 =1 where 2b=8

OpenStudy (babynini):

how do I find the minor axis in there?

OpenStudy (alekos):

eccentricity = sqrt(a^2-b^2)/a

OpenStudy (anonymous):

b^2 = a^2(1-e^2)

OpenStudy (alekos):

so from this you can find the minor axis

OpenStudy (babynini):

hmm

OpenStudy (alekos):

focii are on the y-axis so h=0

OpenStudy (babynini):

so x^2/8 + y^2/16 = 1

OpenStudy (babynini):

is that the answer?

OpenStudy (babynini):

@iambatman save me. lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hollllllaaaa

OpenStudy (babynini):

aloo

OpenStudy (anonymous):

major axis = 8 ye?

OpenStudy (babynini):

I just need to find an equation :P

OpenStudy (babynini):

yeah

OpenStudy (babynini):

major axis = 2a so a = 4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes good :P \[e = \frac{ c }{ a } ~~~\text{and}~~~ c^2 = a^2-b^2\] yes yes this looks good, it will work out nicely

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok so notice we're given the eccentricity (e) and it tells us the Foci is on the y - axis, this is important because the foci are ALWAYS on the major axis. So will the major axis run vertically or horizontally?

OpenStudy (babynini):

vertically?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That sounds good, so what should we do next

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You should already realize an error in your work with that information

OpenStudy (babynini):

a should be the bigger one?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You're too good :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

Aw, shucks.

OpenStudy (babynini):

so what numbers do i flip around?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well lets find b first

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To do that we have \[e = \frac{ c }{ a }\] and \[c^2 = a^2 - b^2\]

OpenStudy (babynini):

e = sq7/2 but we're given that a = 4 so do we double that whole thing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What was that cute game we were playing earlier? I had a name for it

OpenStudy (babynini):

lol substitution?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah that's it ;)

OpenStudy (babynini):

but we're given the e!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So what's stopping you from solving for c :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

no b?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We have a and e!

OpenStudy (babynini):

ooh oh

OpenStudy (babynini):

sq7/2=c/4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:))))

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So what will be our c value?

OpenStudy (babynini):

sq14?

OpenStudy (babynini):

\[2\sqrt{7}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Looks good, now what's our next step :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

find b!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right, and how will we do that

OpenStudy (babynini):

so that's just c, not c^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes good observation!

OpenStudy (babynini):

so now c^2=a^2+b^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Stop right there for a second!

OpenStudy (babynini):

o.o yes sir.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Lets look at the equation you said, what is that for :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

c

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ircle

OpenStudy (babynini):

lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That's where a lot of people make mistakes, for an ellipse it's \[c^2 = a^2 - b^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Note the negative sign

OpenStudy (babynini):

o.o gasp. that is no bueno.

OpenStudy (babynini):

b^2=a^2-c^2 then

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:), now remember as I always say it's a game of substitution

OpenStudy (babynini):

\[b^2 = 16 - (2\sqrt{7})^2\]

OpenStudy (babynini):

\[b^2 = 16-28\] \[b^2=-12\]

OpenStudy (babynini):

\[b=\sqrt{12}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No, the negative is there, something is wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Err, \[e = \frac{ c }{ a } \implies c = e \times a \implies c = \frac{ \sqrt{7} }{ 4 } \times 4 \implies \sqrt{7}\] bleh :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

..oh hehe

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I guess I should be doing the math as well haha

OpenStudy (babynini):

sorry!

OpenStudy (babynini):

ai ai ai I need to go to bed soon. waay to early on a school night =.= and you do too.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No it's alright we just had mistaken the eccentricity we had sqrt(7)/2 when it's 4 :P

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh xD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Don't worry about me :), I'm the dark knight, night is where I work muahah!

OpenStudy (babynini):

right, right, how could I forget!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alright so lets find b again bleh :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[b^2 = a^2-c^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[a = 4~~~c = \sqrt{7}\]

OpenStudy (babynini):

b = 3

OpenStudy (babynini):

b^2 = 9

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now that looks good

OpenStudy (babynini):

so..the answer I had at the very beginning. Look at the screenshot thing =.=

OpenStudy (anonymous):

major axis runs vertically :P

OpenStudy (babynini):

ooh myy goooshh aspidghpaihgpi

OpenStudy (babynini):

fricken hour later hahahah

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's ok, the struggle is more important than the final answer, you will remember how to do it now :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

we're geniuses! :)

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