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OpenStudy (lynfran):

Find the equation of the locus of the intersection of the lines below

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[y=mx+\sqrt{m^2+2}\]and \[y=-\frac{ 1 }{ m }x+\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}}\]

OpenStudy (lynfran):

@loser @jim_thompson5910

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I'm assuming you first equated the two right hand sides?

OpenStudy (lynfran):

yes was thinking the same ...then what?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

try to isolate x in the equation

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[mx+\sqrt{m^2+2}=-\frac{ 1 }{ m }x+\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2}\]

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[mx+\frac{ 1 }{ m }x=\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2}-\sqrt{m^2+2}\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

then you can factor out x

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[x(m+\frac{ 1 }{ m })=\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2}-\sqrt{m^2+2}\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

then you can divide both sides by m+1/m

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm the question is now: how to use this info to figure out the locus

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[x=\frac{ \sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2}-\sqrt{m^2+2} }{ m+\frac{ 1 }{ m } }\]

OpenStudy (lynfran):

i dont know ...

OpenStudy (lynfran):

do we sub the value of x= blah blah lol (the one about ..dont feeling like typing all that back) into \[y=mx+\sqrt{m^2+2}\]to find y...idk??

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

hmm that might be a possibility but I don't see where it would go in terms of being simplified

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you want to eliminate \(m\)

OpenStudy (lynfran):

but how do we eliminate that?? is m here the slope??

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

\[\Large y=mx+\sqrt{m^2+2}\] \[\Large y=m(\color{red}{x})+\sqrt{m^2+2}\] \[\Large y=m(\color{red}{\frac{ \sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2}-\sqrt{m^2+2} }{ m+\frac{ 1 }{ m } }})+\sqrt{m^2+2}\] idk where to go from there

OpenStudy (lynfran):

im stuck there too

OpenStudy (lynfran):

there is this hint that says ..to eliminate m transpose the x term in each equation, clear the fraction, square both members and add .. but im still a bit confuse by what its saying...

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

idk what they mean by transpose. I'm used to the matrix definition shown here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transpose

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

maybe they mean take the reciprocal?

OpenStudy (lynfran):

idk

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Let me try something \[\Large y=mx+\sqrt{m^2+2}\] \[\Large y-mx=\sqrt{m^2+2}\] \[\Large (y-mx)^2=(\sqrt{m^2+2})^2\] \[\Large (y-mx)^2=m^2+2\] that gets rid of the pesky square root

OpenStudy (lynfran):

ok i see ..go on

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

\[\Large y=-\frac{ 1 }{ m }x+\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}}\] \[\Large my=-x+m\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}}\] \[\Large x+my=m\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}}\] \[\Large (x+my)^2=(m\sqrt{\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}})^2\] \[\Large (x+my)^2=m^2(\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2})\]

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[(x+my)^2=m^2(\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 }+2)\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

\[\Large (x+my)^2=m^2(\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2})\] \[\Large \frac{(x+my)^2}{m^2}=\frac{ 1 }{ m^2 +2}\] \[\Large m^2 +2 = \frac{m^2}{(x+my)^2}\] ------------------------------------------------------- \[\Large (y-mx)^2=m^2+2\] \[\Large (y-mx)^2=\frac{m^2}{(x+my)^2}\] hmm not sure where to go from here

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

maybe take the square root of both sides to get \[\Large y-mx=\frac{m}{x+my}\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

I used geogebra to cheat and determined that the locus is actually the upper half of the ellipse \(\LARGE x^2 + 0.5y^2 = 1\). So solve that for y to get \(\LARGE y = \sqrt{2-2x^2}\) I just don't know how to eliminate m to get that

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[(x+my)^2=1+2m^2\]

OpenStudy (lynfran):

\[x^2+2xmy+(my)^2=1+2m^2\]idk

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

here's an applet to play around with if you're curious http://tube.geogebra.org/m/wlliSGAt

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

sliding around the m slider may be a bit slow, so be patient and let it load

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

as for how to eliminate m, I'm stumped. ganeshie8 may have an idea though

OpenStudy (lynfran):

ok

OpenStudy (triciaal):

according to the slopes the lines are perpendicular

OpenStudy (triciaal):

do you have answer choices? using x = 0 then equating the y^2 I get y = 1 and y = -1

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