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OpenStudy (studygurl14):

PLEASE HELP! MEDAL!

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

@amistre64 @ganeshie8 @mathmath333 @pooja195

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

lets do one at a time.. ok?

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

yep, fine

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

I don't know how to find f(x)

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

a) see we need to find f(4) in order to find f'(4) but we know the value of g(4) and g(x) can be expressed in terms of f(x) see g(4)=f(4)/{f(4)-3} or 3=f(4)/{f(4)-3} since g(4)=3 implies 3f(4)-9=f(4) implies 2f(4)=9 implies f(4)=9/2 and hence equation of tangent to f(x) at x=4 is y-9/2=f'(4) { x-4} implies y-9/2=5{x-4)

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Oh my gosh, you're a genious

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

genius*

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

next part b) f is differentiable for all real values and hence must be continuous too(theorem) . So yes. f(x) is continuous at x=3

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Ok

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

now see the 3rd one is a bit tricky.. first evaluate f(x) in terms of g(x) from the reltaion g(x)=f(x)/{f(x)-3} You will get f(x)=3g(x)/{3g(x)-1}

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

you are given the values of g(2) and g(4) in the table. Put these values and evaluate f(2) and f(4)

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

you will get f(2)=3/4 and f(4)=9/8 and f is continuous so by the neighbourhood property there will not exist any root of f in [2,4] since the functional values are always positive, and for root they must cut the axis of x at least once, which is not the case

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

are you following? @StudyGurl14

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

I don't get the last part

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

which one??

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

" f is continuous so by the neighbourhood property there will not exist any root of f in [2,4] since the functional values are always positive, and for root they must cut the axis of x at least once, which is not the case"

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

oh see root means where the x values where curve cuts the x-axis i.e. f(x)=0 But here f(2)>0 and f(4)>0 and the curve is continuous, so it never had f(x)=0 in [2,4] and hence the question of zero never arise

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Oh, I see. That makes sense

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

ok lets move to part d) then

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

k

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

\[g(x)=\frac{ f(x) }{ f(x)-3 }\]

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

so \[g'(x)=\frac{ (f(x)-3)f'(x) -f'(x)f(x)}{ [f(x)-3 ]^{2}}\]

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

\[g'(x)=\frac{ -3f'(x) }{ [f(x)-3]^{2}}\]

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

now we need to find g'(2)

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

see we need to find f'(2) and f(2) in order to find g'(2) now f'(2) is given in the table. So here we need to find f(2). as calculated previously,f(2)=3/4 so plug the value of f(2)=3/4 and f'(2)=3 in the expression of g'(x) and you will get g'(2)

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Hold on a sec. I was checking what you said and try to see if I could do it myself, and I got f(2) = 3/2

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

yeah f(2) is 3/2

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

ok, cause you put f(2) = 3/4

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

I am not doing with pen and paper.. I hope you are getting the concept clear?

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

yes.

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

ok now you check the part d) and let me know if you have any problem

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

I did it myself. It works out. Thanks. :)

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Now e

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

Oh, I got -4 for g'(2)

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

I am not checking.. you check twice and be sure..:) the method is not wrong, any error will be in the calculation. ok lets switch to e)

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

ok

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

u there @jango_IN_DTOWN Or you just trying to figure it out like I am?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

wait i am thinking.. do you have the values of f(4),f'(4)? let me know

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

yes. f(4) = 9/2, f'(4) = 5

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

did you figure out anything yet?

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

No, I don't see why it wouldn't be differentaible. It's continuous there

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

I am looking at this link but its not helping

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

I know. Maybe it's a trick question?

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

NO IDEA

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

See the differentiabilty of g depends on f. and we see that f is differentiable at x=4, but still it says that it is not differentiable.. Well I dont get this..

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

the only way it is not differentiable if f(4)=3. but it is not the case

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

I'm just going to say that is is differentable. I'll see what my teacher says

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

wait try checking the differentiability by definition

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

??

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

\[g'(4)=\lim h->0 \frac{ g(4+h)-g(4) }{ h }\]

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

are you calculating? what did you get?

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

well, if that's a zero in front, then it's 0, isn't it?

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

no its h tends to 0

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

i got to go. Thanks for all your help.

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

oh, ok. I'll do this later.

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

if your teacher gives the solution, do let me know...

OpenStudy (studygurl14):

pretty sure it will end up being undefined though, cause h/h = 0/0 = undefined

OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

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OpenStudy (jango_in_dtown):

@freckles will you kindly check the last part/ why not differentiable? I dont have any idea

OpenStudy (freckles):

hey I don't see how c can be determined yes f(2) and f(4) are positive but you could have... |dw:1445632698267:dw|

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