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rvc (rvc):

successive differentiation please helppp

rvc (rvc):

\[\rm Find~ nth~derivative: \frac{ 1 }{ (3x-2)(x-3)^2 }\]

OpenStudy (michaelac959):

do you know how to do this?

rvc (rvc):

im very much new to this :( please help me

OpenStudy (michaelac959):

ok i got you

rvc (rvc):

hmmm

OpenStudy (freckles):

find the first few derivatives as a first step

rvc (rvc):

it would be too big

OpenStudy (freckles):

we are going to use that short list to help come up with the nth derivative

rvc (rvc):

is thelre any other way?

rvc (rvc):

like if i use partial fractions then???

OpenStudy (freckles):

sure you can try partial fractions before the differentiation to see if things come out "less big"

rvc (rvc):

\[\rm \frac{ 1 }{ (3x-2)(x-3)^2 }=\frac{ A }{ (3x-2) }+\frac{ B }{ (x-3) }+\frac{ C }{ (x-3)^2 }\] correct?

rvc (rvc):

???

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes

rvc (rvc):

now how do i find the values of A B and C respectively?

OpenStudy (freckles):

combine the fractions

OpenStudy (freckles):

both sides will have the same denominator when doing that so you will just have to compare tops

rvc (rvc):

im getting the value of A to be : 9/49

rvc (rvc):

but after this im not able to get the values for B & C :(

OpenStudy (freckles):

so you must have gotten the numerator for the right hand side since you were able to find A... \[1=A(x-3)^2+B(x-3)(3x-2)+C(3x-2) \\ x=\frac{2}{3} \text{ gives } \\ 1=A(\frac{2}{3}-3)^2 \\ A=\frac{1}{(\frac{2}{3}-3)^2}=\frac{1}{(\frac{-7}{3})^2}=\frac{1}{\frac{49}{9}}=\frac{9}{49} \\ \text{ try inputting } x=3\]

rvc (rvc):

ohh i got the value of A correct :) give me a sec let me try putting 3

rvc (rvc):

i get a equation

OpenStudy (freckles):

what equation?

OpenStudy (freckles):

there is a reason I selected 3 I see it would give a couple of terms 0 which should give you a pretty easy equation

rvc (rvc):

sorry c = 1/7

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes 1=C(3*3-2) 1=C(9-2) 1=C(7) C=1/7 is right great job

OpenStudy (freckles):

we are out of see picks that will make it easy on us so I guess we can just choose 0 or something so we can solve for B you must remember to replace A with 9/49 and C with 1/7 though

OpenStudy (freckles):

easy picks* not see picks

rvc (rvc):

B : -3/49 ?

OpenStudy (freckles):

sounds great you are so fast

rvc (rvc):

:)

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[y=\frac{9}{49} \cdot \frac{1}{3x-2}-\frac{3}{49} \cdot \frac{1}{x-3}+\frac{1}{7} \cdot \frac{1}{(x-3)^2}\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

now we can just find the nth derivative of each term

rvc (rvc):

yup--- what about the last term how do i find its nth derivative ?

OpenStudy (freckles):

the only way I know to do this is to find the first few derivatives (like let's see if we can stop after taking the 4th)

OpenStudy (freckles):

I would probably not choose quotient rule for this I would write everything with negative exponents and using chain rule

OpenStudy (freckles):

let's look at one term as an example \[y=\frac{1}{7} (x-3)^{-2} \\ y^{(1)}=\frac{1}{7}(-2)(x-3)^{-3} \\ y^{(2)}=\frac{1}{7}(-2)(-3)(x-3)^{-4} \\ y^{(3)}=\frac{1}{7}(-2)(-3)(-4)(x-3)^{-5}\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

our nth derivative will definitely have the 1/7 constant multiple we have a negative/positive alternating thingy like odd derivative are negative and even derivatives are positive we also have a bit of factorial business going on also the power of (x-3) is decreasing consecutively

rvc (rvc):

\[\frac{ (-1)^n(1+n)! }{ 7(x-3)^{2+n} }\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

that looks great

rvc (rvc):

fr the last one?

OpenStudy (freckles):

and I didn't go to the 4th derivative because I think it was pretty obvious at the 3rd what the pattern was

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes if \[y=\frac{1}{7} \cdot \frac{1}{(x-3)^2} \\ \text{ then } y^{(n)}=\frac{(-1)^n (1+n)!}{7(x-3)^{2+n}}\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

now we have to look at the other two terms

OpenStudy (freckles):

you think you are able to do this?

rvc (rvc):

yepp os was lagging for me sorry for late reply sir i need help with more sums too..... thank you so much for helping me

OpenStudy (freckles):

np I will be back on a little later I must put food in the belly

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