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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Determine the centre, radius, and interval of convergence of the power series

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for the radius i keep getting 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x<1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and for the interval of convergence -3<x<1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n(x+1)^n }{n^32^n}}\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

you mean that \(|x|\le1\) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the interval is right, but the solution says that the limit is 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean the radius is 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

The series will converge for any x that satisfies: \(|x|\le1\) (Because even if x=1, the alternating p-series with p=3 will converge)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea thats what u got using the ratio test ,but can u look at the solution i posted

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Wrong, not n+1, but x+1, so you don't get what you got

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why does it say 1/L=2

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Look, let me do the ratio test for you, knowing that must be: (1) |r|<1 (and check for ±r=1) (2) r = \(a_{n+1}/a_n\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea my ratio test simplified to |x+1|/2<1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x<1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty }\left|\frac{(-1)^{n+1}(x+1)^{n+1}}{(n+1)^32^{n+1}}\div \frac{(-1)^{n}(x+1)^{n}}{(n)^32^{n}}\right|}\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty }\left|\frac{(-1)^{n+1}(x+1)^{n+1}}{(n+1)^32^{n+1}}\times \frac{(n)^32^{n}}{(-1)^{n}(x+1)^{n}}\right|}\) \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty }\left|\frac{(x+1)^{n+1}}{(n+1)^32^{n+1}}\times \frac{(n)^32^{n}}{(x+1)^{n}}\right|}\) -1 has gone away due to absolute value. And then algebra. \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty }\left|\frac{n^3(x+1)}{2(n+1)^3}\right|}\) You need this so called common ratio to be <1, so: \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle\left|\frac{(x+1)}{2}\right|<1}\) \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle\left|x+1\right|<2}\) \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle-2<x+1<2}\) \(\large\color{black}{\displaystyle-3<x<1}\) yes, andf then you check the 3 and the 1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n(\color{red}{-3}+1)^n }{n^32^n}}\) \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n(-2)^n }{n^32^n}}\) \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ 1 }{n^3}}\) ---> CONVERGES

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n(\color{blue}{1}+1)^n }{n^32^n}}\) \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n(2)^n }{n^32^n}}\) \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{ n=1 }^{ \infty } ~ \frac{ (-1)^n }{n^3}}\) ---> CONVERGES

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah but what about the radius? thats what I'm confused about

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

So interval of convergence is: x ∈ [-3,1] And the radius is always half the interval (whether interval is closed or open)

OpenStudy (tanya123):

all hail SolomonZelman

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Hello, tanya!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but the way i learnt it using the ratio test, u get the radius by |x+1|/2<1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thats how it shows in my textbooks

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes, and that is good, I suppose :O

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it doesn't say anything about the radius being half of the interval

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Just by a simple geometric series that you learn in high school. |r|<1, and that can be easily shown (what to hear?)

OpenStudy (tanya123):

Hiiiii, you work soo hard lad, you must take a break and drink some water, all this math

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Was one of my favorite topics in calc 2 - power series! Juicy

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so using |x+1|/2<1 should |x|<1

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

No, |x+1|, not |x|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so |x+1|<2?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, right!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes i get it now! thanks a lot!

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Yes, one more recap to finish it up....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

also is the centre that just the half way of the interval?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

The idea comes from: \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle (1+r+r^2+r^3+r^4+r^{5})/(1-r)=1-r^5 }\) I will show why that is so: \(\Large \color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^{\color{red}{~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~{\rm r}^4~~~~~+~~~~{\rm r}^3~~~~+~~~~{\rm r}^2~~~~+~~~~{\rm r}~~~~+~~~1}}_{\Huge _\text{_______________________________}}}\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}+1{\huge|}~~-{\rm r}^5~~+~0{\rm r}^4~+~~0{\rm r}^3~~+~~0{\rm r}^2~+~~0{\rm r}~~+~1}\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^5~~+~~{\rm r}^4 }\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^\text{____________} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^4~~+~~0{\rm r}^3 }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^4~~+~~{\rm r}^3 }\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^\text{_____________} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^3 ~~+~~0{\rm r}^2 }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^3 ~~+~~~{\rm r}^2 }\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^\text{_______________} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^2 ~~+~~0{\rm r} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}^2 ~~+~~{\rm r} }\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^\text{______________} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}~+~1 }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle -{\rm r}~+~1 }\) \(\large\color{blue}{ \displaystyle ^\text{___________} }\) \(\large\color{red}{ \displaystyle 0 }\) If you agree with (and understand) the above polynomial division, then you should get an intuitive understanding of why: \(\color{black}{ \displaystyle \color{blue}{(-{\rm r}^{\rm n}+1)}\div \color{red}{(-{\rm r}+1)} ~~= \color{green}{{\rm r}^{{\rm n}-1}~+~{\rm r}^{{\rm n}-2}~+~....~+~{\rm r}^3~+~{\rm r}^2~+~{\rm r}~+~1} }\) \((\)For all natural number n that are greater than 1 \()\) Thus we get: \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{k=1}^{n}\left(r^{k-1}\right)=1+r+r^2+r^3+...+r^{n-1} = \frac{-r^n+1}{-r+1}}\) This is where: \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{k=1}^{n}\left(r^{k-1}\right)= \frac{1-r^n}{1-r}}\) and \(\large\color{black}{ \displaystyle \sum_{k=1}^{n}\color{orangered}{a_1}\left(r^{k-1}\right)= \frac{\color{orangered}{a_1}\left(1-r^n\right)}{1-r}}\) come from. ---------------------------------- Now, convergence of an infinite geometric series will be therefore determined by the convergence of the sequence of (1-r\(^n\))/(1-r) \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}(1+r+r^2+r^3+...+r^{n-1})=\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\left(\frac{1-r^n}{1-r}\right)}\) after applying limit properties, we get: \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\left(\frac{1-r^n}{1-r}\right)=\left(\frac{1}{1-r}\right)\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\left(1-r^n\right) \\[1.9 em] \large \displaystyle =\left(\frac{1}{1-r}\right)\left(1-\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}r^n\right)}\) \({\large \displaystyle =\left(\frac{1}{1-r}\right)-\left(\frac{1}{1-r}\right)\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}r^n}\) \(\scriptsize\color{ slate }{\scriptsize{\bbox[5pt, royalblue ,border:2px solid royalblue ]{~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }}}\) So, \(r\ne1\) (because when r=1 we get an indetermine sum for the series) And when r>1 the limit will go into infinity. So 0>r>1 is so far verfied. \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}(r^n)}\) for -1<r<0, the limit will approach zero (and thus exist) as well, and therefore by a convergence of this limit for ||r|<1, we verify the convergence of the sum of the series for |r|<1.

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Sorry for a long reply, just a geometric convergence proof, for why is it so that |r|<1. And as you have probably heard or figured, the same idea of |r|<1 is applied here, in Ratio test (and in root test)... EXCEPT that for r=1 the test is inconclusive which can be explained due to the fact that the limit in ratio test is not quite the common ratio.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wow that was a long reply, lol thanks for the effort

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Anytime !

OpenStudy (anonymous):

also u said that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

shouldn't it be 2/n^3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i mean isnt (-2)^n(-1)^n = (2)^2n

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

No

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

Missapplication of exponent rules: \(\LARGE a^n\cdot b^n=(a \cdot b)^n\)

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

\(\LARGE a^n\cdot b^n=(a \cdot b)^n\) YES \(\LARGE a^n\cdot b^n=(a \cdot b)^{2n}\) NO

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i thought u add powers in multiplication?

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

when you have the same base, you add powers: \(\LARGE x^n\cdot x^m=x^{n+m} \) YES

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, sorry my maths is really rusty

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks for clearing it up

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

You just made some confusion about the rules.... anytime :0

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