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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Do Jewish people go to heaven?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I believe not. You see, the only way to heaven is believing that Jesus is the son of God and that he is the messiah. Jewish people don't believe that. Of course, I'm not saying this in a Jewish person's point of view. They might have a completely different story. I'm just answering by from what the bible says.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I always thought the same thing; it's just that I've heard jewish people doing good things and being great people. It's hard to imagin them not going to heaven.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Being a good person and doing great works does not earn you garantee you access to heaven. Even demons can perform miracles, and even Satan knows the whole Bible.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then why isn't Satan in heaven?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Once in hell, always in hell.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Good point.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Asked and answer by children, will they ever grow up.

OpenStudy (i<3u):

@KenLJW @HappyBean is correct. The bible says that only believing in Jesus Christ as your savior will you then have access to Heaven.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

^

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The rhyme its so because the Bible tells me so, is for children who are just beginning and have not read it. If its to take any credence a person must read it, and than study it. Most of what's in the Bible requires knowledge in History and Language, which generally youths do not have, in order to precieve the nuances involved, unless your studying someone else critic and willing to accept their conclusions. Language is important, some don't understand the difference between jealousy and envy, or between understand and comprehend. And because children learn a noun is a person, place. or thing, they don't comprehend earlier meanings like thing is a matter of concern. or place being an entrance or transfer point. In fact is can be quite earth shattering when one discovers they really don't know their native language and with that lack how can they learn anything let alone how to communicate.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

Jesus taught the chief priest's and the scribes when he was a little kid. I believed in Jesus Christ as my savior when I was 11. Kids do understand, you just need to teach them.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

When you teach children its the oral trandition that is taught, not the Bible. The oral tradition was used to create the Gemara and the Talmund between 100 and 200 BCE. There are numorous Christian denomination each with their own oral and Biblical tranditions. Frankly I find them lacking and a distortion of the Bible, how can you teach children what most, if not all, adults don't trurly understand and comprehend. As I said before learning and knowing a language is and was the main part of religion as children attempt to learn a certain context in their life, in which they'll try to understand and comprehend their environment.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

Children wont understand everything they're taught (obviously). Neither do adults, that's why reading the bible and meditating on what you read will help you understand it more. Its like taking a Math topic that you don't understand. You get the Math book and you read the context, do some problems, study, and then will you start to understand.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The problem is the Bible must be comprehended in context to ones life and that's difficult when you haven't liveed much of it. As I said the Bible will be your main context in your life, if you take it seriously, and you begin to understand your experiences in that context. It really is amazing when you see certan things unfold in your life, the good and the bad, that actually correspond to the Bible. Life is made to be lived and somethings can only be comprehended in hindsight as ceetain prophecy can only be understood after the fact though many try to interpret before hand, and generally fail. In fact some proophecy may occur repeatedly, as my word will last forever, because of man's entanglement.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

So you are practically saying that kids are dumb and stupid human beings @KenLJW

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Children are not dumb just children and as such the principle of learn as you go prime. It's how a person chooses to learn and interact that makes for such various experiences. Life is not quit like math where you first learn to count, then add, substract, multiply-divide, symbolic mathematical language as algebra, geometry, trignometry, calculus, differential equations and a host ot others, but a combinations of disapointments and sucesses. How a person developes depends on genetics, intial home environment, school and neighborhood, and some end up in traps which may need salvation. All refuges have costs, a wall not only keeps others out but you in, which means you may have to face dangers which you know little about in order to grow into a competent adult. This process is not easy and some have learned from others how to avoid certain things but generally other things crop up requiring courage and forthought on the next step.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

My 5 year old cousin learned the Adam and Eve story when he was 4. He made a play about and could tell you the story. I'm pretty sure he understands what it means. You just have to work with kids.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Did you teach him what God said to Cain after he was done cast because God prefered Abel's sacrifice to his, Genesis chapter 4 vs 7, actually it quite complecated and is only place in Genesis where the word sin is used. In fact it's not until Exodus through Numbers where sin is elaborated and pointing to what Genesis meant by sin will enare you. Tell me what you told your 5 year old was the meaning of the Cain vs Abel story, was it just envy or the fact if you do your best and apply yourself you'll be accepted but not as much as another. These are complex issures and a child may seem to understand them but the sense of understanding is different than the experience of feeling sometimes being rejected.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

I teach him meany things about the bible. He is a fast learner.

OpenStudy (gibbs):

Yes Jews who actually do see Jewish is the real religion because Jesus was a Jew everyone has a chance to get into heaven god loves everyone anyone who said he doesn't is not a true christian and should read the bible more.

OpenStudy (kendricklamar2014):

Gibbs all the questions you ask are in the bible. Yet, you deny me when I point out the verses. But you say that they should read the bible more -_-

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Maybe he should of said read the Bible more closely and entirely.

OpenStudy (i<3u):

True ^

OpenStudy (jumperman):

Let's slow down. Personally, my belief is that both faith and works are important to going to heaven. As Deuteronomy 6:25 states is that obeying God's commands is righteousness. In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus makes it clear that obeying the commandments is righteousness, and you cannot enter heaven without righteousness. James 2 covers the debatable issue of whether or not you can be saved completely by faith. James 2 says that both have to work at the same time. Abraham had faith in God, so Abraham acted upon his faith. Jews, do the work, but they do not have complete faith in God, and are not under the new covering, which is Christ's blood. Now, the question is, what happens when we are judged? Well ,my belief is, the ones who do not believe in Christ, who do not accept Him as their savior, they are going to be judged by their sins. Why? Because the blood of the Lamb has not covered them and washed their sins away. The people who have accepted Christ as their savior, and are washed by His blood, I believe will be judged on whether or not they kept God's commands. I know many people believe that Torah, the Law, was done away with because Christ died on the cross. There is no evidence to support this. There is only evidence against it. When Peter had the vision of the beasts and animals, and God told him to kill and eat, Peter responded. "Surely not, Lord! No unclean thing has touched my mouth." He is still following the commandments in Leviticus 11 after Christ's death. Paul observed the Sabbath, and even the Sabbath will be kept during the tribulation. So, for my sake and my personal and spiritual safety, I choose to follow God's commands, I choose to act and believe. I do, however encourage the same, and you search for yourself.

OpenStudy (i<3u):

I agree ^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I believe only God can answer that question.. Who are we to judge them?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think it would be better if we focus on the question, "Can we go to heaven?"

OpenStudy (jumperman):

We can go to heaven. We have to earn it. It's a gift, and if we are obeying God's commands, we earn that gift.

OpenStudy (gibbs):

The key to heaven is beliveing in christ the savior so anyone who belives in jesus is ingact on tthere way to heaven inless you commit suicide wich is an unforgettable sin

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Those who commit suicide are driven to it, either by their own makeup or outside forces, in either case its those things that drive a person to suicide that are unforgiveable not the person themselves. I believe in euthanasia when done is a manner such that it could be determined that the only hope for cure or relief from sufering is divine intervention and time alotted for such before the termination of life. This does not fall under "do not tempt thy Lord thy God", which actually has it realm, but a realistic veiw of unnecessay suffering beyond human control to relieve. The saying suffering has redemptive qualities denies the fullness of Christ sacifice.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Wow this is something. A few things I'd like to address. 1. You cannot "earn" your way into heaven. You will never deserve a place where an Almighty and perfect God resides. That is why God sent Jesus, His only Son, to die for us, so that God would be able to allow us into Heaven despite our sinful nature. We were GIVEN the gift, though we do not deserve it. 2. There is only ONE unforgivable sin and that is blasphemy. When you KNOW that Jesus is the Son of God and truly believe that He died on the cross for your sins, YET you still publicly deny it. Suicide is NOT an unforgivable sin and no where in the Bible does it say that if you commit suicide that you will not be able to go to Heaven. Jesus' blood covers ALL sins and EACH sin is able to be forgiven. Islam is the religion that preaches that suicide is unforgivable, maybe you are thinking of that. 3. Jesus was able to teach as a child because He is God. He already knew everything, He wasn't just a child that was knowledgeable. There is a difference. 4. There are many laws in the Bible that we do not have to follow as Christians. Some are because of Jesus' sacrifice (such as sacrificial lambs and such practices) and some are because they were specifically for the Jews/followers of that time. It isn't a case of "picking and choosing" but the equivalent of legally not being allowed to drive until you are 16 (in some places). 5. Anyone can go to heaven. A murderer, an adulterer, an ex-atheist, anyone. Yes! You can go to Heaven. But you have to believe that Jesus is the only Son of God, fully God and fully man, that He was perfect, and that He died on the cross for your sins, and rose again 3 days later. 6. Christians are to follow Jesus' example. His life is the type of life that we are striving to have. However, if you don't, this doesn't necessarily mean you cannot go to Heaven, if you truly believe. But the Bible also tells you to ask yourself, that if you claim to be a true believer, but don't follow Jesus' commandments and laws, are you truly a believer?

OpenStudy (jumperman):

I'd like to point out #4.The sacrificial system is not supposed to be performed because we're not priests, or the high priest, and we're not in Israel. You could make the argument that either Yeshua is the High Priest, which means His sacrifice was the last sacrifice that was needed, and then that is just still fulfilling the law, or that we're all priests, but I like to support the first. Personally, I do not eat unclean food. If you study what was clean and unclean during the ancient days, well pigs were not considered food, that's why they are unclean. To the nonbelievers, they were food, but to God's people, they were not. There is evidence that the commandments were being followed before Sinai. God asks Noah to bring pairs of CLEAN and UNCLEAN animals which means that he was following Torah. Cain Abel brought sacrifices, which means they kept the Torah. Romans 3:21-30 states that our faith does NOT nullify the law, but rather we uphold it. This just goes to say that you have to have faith and do works in order to enter the kingdom of heaven as Yeshua states in Matthew 5:19-20.

OpenStudy (zale101):

Can Muslims go to heaven?

OpenStudy (opcode):

What I find amusing is most religious theology establishes a token economy. Do good, go to heaven. Do bad, go to hell. In the end our mere conception of heaven, and hell are likely highly warped by person vendettas. I do not know the creditability, but I was speaking to a priest (who was Catholic if that is of interest) and he mentioned that even whores (excuse my crude language) went to heaven, for the most random acts of kindness. TL;DR God is not limited in the Christian sense, he can send people to heaven for the tiniest of reason. My understanding from the priest is that he was arguing that God is merciful, not a cruel being that people will portray Him as to instil fear and obedience in following Him. > "faith and works" Of course; however, some people, most people think that sola fide works. ... Ugh, I sound like an apologist.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Well. I had typed out a response and then accidentally deleted the tab, so this is definitely shorter with not as many verses to back myself up (not because I lack them but because I am tired). @jumperman I have to disagree with you. The Bible says that faith without works is dead and I agree with that. To believe in Christ but to gleefully live in sin is not what Christianity is about, even Paul says this in Romans 6:1-2. No where in the Bible does it say that we have to do good things in order to enter Heaven, even the verses you stated. They simply say that you will be considered "least" in the Kingdom of Heaven. I didn't click the whole chapter yet (again I am tired) so maybe it has been taken out of context, in the same way Paul's dialogue about sinning so that grace may increase can be taken out of context if you stop after verse one. Also, I don't understand the point you made with the verse Romans 3:21-30. Verse 28 clearly states, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." and the verse before, 27, says that we cannot boast because of the works we've done because we owe it all to our faith. @Opcode While I am not Catholic and I don't agree with all that the Catholics teach; Yes! Even a "whore" (as you put it) can go to Heaven! The reason being is that a whore is no more sinful than Mother Teresa was. A gasp worthy sentence, if you aren't familiar with what Jesus taught. Romans 3:23 states that we ALL sin and fall short of the Glory of God. Therefore NONE of us deserve Heaven. We are dirty, defiled, and stained by sin. That which was once pure is now unclean. Because God is a perfect Being and cannot fellowship with sin in any manner, He sent His Son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins, that we may be able to have a personal relationship with God through Jesus. Christianity isn't an "As Seen on TV" advertisement. There is no: "Pray to Jesus RIGHT NOW and you can get FREE Salvation! Just pay S&S fees for the REST of your life through good works!" There is nothing we could give God that would erase the sin we have in our hearts and lives. It's the same as if you own a pig (one of the best examples I can think of). You might wash that pig, throw in some bath salts, spritz perfume, put a cute little vest on it, and call it a dog instead. But it is still a pig and at the first sight of mud, no matter how much you scream "No! You are clean now! I cleaned you. Do not go back to the mud!", that vest will soon look like it was originally brown. That is the relationship we have with God. We are the pigs, "You" is God, and the mud is sin. Every day, we give into some type of temptation and defile the robe of white that God gave us. But He also forgives us for each sin that we ask for forgiveness for. He wipes our slate clean and gives us another chance through Christ. That is unfailing and unconditional mercy. We cannot earn salvation, God's unconditional love, or His Mercy. They are gifts that were given to us. Now, I want to clarify something. We do have "works and faith" but they aren't for the purpose of earning anything. The Bible says that faith without works is dead (James 2:20) and that is true. It is, essentially, telling someone that you love them dearly (and you believe yourself when you say it), but then you ignore all of the things that they ask you to do, refuse to spend time with them, and basically separate yourself from them even if what they want for you is good. What kind of love is that? It is empty love. Christianity IS sola fide. It is what we are based on and hoping in. @Zale101 In Christianity, Muslims cannot go to Heaven, no.

OpenStudy (zale101):

How come Muslims can't go to heaven?

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Because Muslims do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and that He came born of a virgin, died on the cross for our sins, and rose again. They simply believe that He was just a prophet. Not to mention that Islam does not line up with many things that Christianity stands for.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If this is all it takes to enter heaven than no thank you I'll leave my salvation to God the Father and Christ not a group of supposed Chiristians.

OpenStudy (opcode):

@LifeIsADangerousGame > We do have "works and faith" but they aren't for the purpose of earning anything. [...] > [...] Christianity IS sola fide. You do realize that is a contradiction, unless I am misunderstanding you...

OpenStudy (jumperman):

@LifeIsADangerousGame Read a little bit more to Romans 3. Paul asks the question - Do we nullify the law (Torah) by our faith? NO! Rather we uphold it. He says those words, depending on translation, which means that by our faith we are to uphold the law. The Torah. If we're not doing that, then what is the point? If we cannot follow God's commands, or choose not to, we're not showing that we love Him. If we cannot love God, we cannot love our neighbor, and we then cannot love ourselves. And vice versa, which Christ says that loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself is fulfillment of the Torah.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Paul also said "all is lawfull to me", and other things I disagree with, I do not trust Paul and his rhetoric.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Opcode I apologize for confusing you. What I meant was that, God calls us to do works in His name, but we don't have to do those works in order to go to Heaven. By accepting Jesus Christ as our Savior, we are AUTOMATICALLY going to go to Heaven. But now, we are going around and spreading the Gospel, speaking and doing things out of love, and such things God calls us to do. Those are the works I was speaking about. We do these works because of our faith, but they do not BUY us our faith. Is that better? @Jumperman Are you saying that we should follow all of the laws of the OT or have I missed your point? I do agree, we must follow the commands that God has given us if we truly love Him and truly are followers of Christ. We aren't bound by the law of works, as we don't use works to get to Heaven, but yes, we should uphold the law and be obedient. But we no longer need to follow all of the laws that were written in the OT, especially. We no longer sacrifice animals to atone for our sins. Why? Because Christ was the ultimate sacrifice, releasing us from the task of sacrificing animals. That is an example of a law we no longer follow. Also, I read the entirety of Romans 3. @KenLjW Hi, I'm going to need a bit more clarification as to what you disagree with Paul on.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Faith, Hope, and Charity, and Charity is the most impottant is Pauls veiw, mine is Faith in God the Father and Christ the Son are the most important and without them you can not have true Charity. In fact Pauls veiw is what Humanism is based on, human values with no need of any Deities. The problem I have with this is humans thought to be nothing but biological, animal, leads nowhere while belief in a God coming into being leads man in a direction to some form of Godlliness, both individually and cosmically.

OpenStudy (anaise):

no we all go to hell

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@KenLJW I'm going to do some Biblical references to back up "Pauls view is what Humanism is based on, human values with no need of any Deities." Just to point out Biblical text, (this is Paul writing this, mind you): 2 Corinthians 12:6-10. Paul clearly states that he is weak without Christ and that he wants Christ's power to rest on him. After he turns to Christ, Paul never suggests that there is no need of God. We don't attain some form of "Godlliness" by following Christ...that was never promised.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@KenLJW Seems like you disagree on what everyone here has to say, plus a lot of what you say is very... personal. Just because you personally believe in something doesn't mean you are generally correct. For example, what you said about children not understanding the Bible. Some children understand the Bible more than many adults do, and I'm not talking about just the "Adam and Eve" or the "Noah and the Ark" story. I was taught about Cain and Abel when I was in kindergarten. And the teachers didn't sugar coat the story. Same with the story of King David's adultery and the slaughter of newborns after the birth of Jesus. Of course, I'm sure at least one of my classmates then didn't understand, but I sure did. So did many of us. I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was 10. I knew what I was doing. Now I'm seventeen. Sure, I'm still considered underaged, and I know I'm not an expert in the Bible, but I know what I believe and I'm sure the rest of the people here do too. It's fine to disagree with people. But it's not fine when you believe that if it is not the way you see it then it is wrong. And by the way, the person asking this question is actually 28. He just converted to Christianity and wants to know everything about it. So instead of judging people's answers and opinions, I suggest just giving your opinion while recognizing that what the rest of us say is also what we personally believe. If you disagree with me, that is fine. It happens. But people make mistakes, just like how I believe that you were mistaken with what you said.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm a child because I don't know the Bible the way you do @KenLJW ? Well sorry for being unexperienced. If being a Christian means being the way you are, then I want nothing to do with it.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Thedragon I know you were addressing Ken, but I just wanted to say, being a Christian means COME as you are. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "being the way you are," but God excepts everyone as they are. If you look at Paul's life, before he was Paul (his original name was Saul), he legitimately and literally killed Christians. God still took him as he was (though mind you, Paul DID repent and believe). If you don't mind elaborating, or even asking other questions, please feel free.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

I didn't say you were a child because you didn't know the Bible. What I said is one's life experience will influence how you understand the Bible. Just as you grow your understanding of language will also grow. A persons sense of salvation may be different than anothers depending if they have ever been lost or what they found in the world. I was twenty when I first read the KJB, it was difficualt for me because of my lack of language skills, and recoginized a number of errors on my part. If was only in my fifties that I acquired the language skills to comprehend it and correlate it to my life experiences, personally I believe someone can be saved with little or no Bible knowledge but that's dependant entirely on the God the Father. As for going to heaven, my understanding is Christ said heaven is here, meaning its a place to can enter during life in some sense of communion. I know this is hard to rap your head around, have you ever had a word come into your head that you never heard and a sense of its meaning, but yet had to look it up. The sense of heaven the Christ was speaking was one in which we are not just individuals saparate from everything else but one of joining and being. As in Genesis if you do well you will be accepted, and if not hopefully saved.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@KenLJW I was going through the previous comments and saw one of yours I didn't address. Your faith is completely left in the hands of Christ and God the Father. No Christian can save you, if they tell you otherwise, they are lying. That being said, I don't understand what your most recent comment is saying, can you please clarify a little more and provide Biblical text?

OpenStudy (kenljw):

If you keep up with the news, there's been a development in technology where their able to convert brain waves into what the person was thinking at the time. They got some sucess that can't be denied, and of course its language specific. As I previous said religions today say you really can't understand unless you use the original language as Hebrew, Greek, Latin, English, Arabic, Hindu. This all implies telepathy may play a part within any religious understanding and experience. The US Pentecostal is the only religion I know that uses all tongues and might correspond to the first Whore in Revelation 17. As for specific text for my positions I find useless in an environment where people take vows, swear, pledge, oath, ect against Biblical admonishment, Levitticus chapter 5 verse 4 or Matthew 5 verse 33-37.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Are...are you saying Christianity has telepathy? I'm honestly lost with what your point is. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The OT say's God will not conquor by power and might but by the spirit.

OpenStudy (opcode):

Rule: As one's theology attempts to categories who goes to a possible hell or heaven, personal opinion grows and influences his theology more than a rationalist interpretation. TL;DR do not be Hitler guys.

OpenStudy (perl):

replying to the question `Do Jewish people go to heaven?` Why wouldn't they go to heaven?

OpenStudy (perl):

Jesus was Jewish, after all.

OpenStudy (anaise):

So what...God said there were only 140,000 Israeli chosen So what the flutter do you mean 😕

OpenStudy (perl):

I don't speak as a religious authority, just my opinion.

OpenStudy (opcode):

For arguments sake, defining whether we are talking about Jewish as a religion or race would be of great worth here.

OpenStudy (autogenius):

I believe that we are arguing too much and becoming side-tracked. Salvation is not complicated. All we must do is believe that Jesus is God and the Christ - the promised Messiah who came to make a permanent way of salvation. We must acknowledge that He died for us and rose again, covering our sins with his blood and creating a way for us to meet our Holy God in heaven. We also must repent of our sins and choose to walk in the commandments of God though the help of His Spirit. Salvation is a gift, not a thing we can earn or work for. We attain salvation through faith, not through works. God loves us and, through Christ, His Son, created a permanent way for us to holily come to Him. If ANY person believes in and does such things, yes, he/she is going to heaven.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Opcode I can't tell if you're joking or not, but I assure you I'm not hitler haha. @perl As autogenius said, Salvation really isn't a huge jumble of a confusing mess. Belief in Christ, His life as a man and as God, His death, and His resurrection, is what you need to go to Heaven. That being said, Jews can go to Heaven. There are Jews who believe in Christ to the fullest and yes, they will go to Heaven. It is the Jews that do not believe in Christ in that way, but feel that they are still waiting for the "true" Messiah, who will not be allowed into Heaven. And yes, Jesus was Jewish. @Anaise I won't claim to know a ton about this, but I believe that when that was written, it was speaking of specific tribes during that period. Anyone and everyone is allowed to go to Heaven (provided they believe in Christ, as I've said), not just 140k people/Israelites. There is no limit to the amount of people Heaven can hold.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Heaen is a state or condition of existence, one may enter it during life and may continue after life. I do not believe its in another universe other than our own, when Christ was resurected he went to the righ hand of God the Father and when he comes back it will not be in human form.

OpenStudy (anaise):

@LifeIsADangerousGame wtf? There were 140k specifically chosen is what I freaking said.

OpenStudy (anaise):

And believing in Christ will get you to heaven? Are you dense or funny....

OpenStudy (anaise):

Israel is God's favorite, he states that. If you keep God's rules or whatsoever, there might be a spot for you.

OpenStudy (anaise):

@autogenius wtf..... :/ We have people here that made 2 decisions at death and went to heaven 😕 Not saying if you do the same there will be a "spot" for you.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Anaise You're rather hostile and I'm not quite sure why...but yes, I realize you said that 140k specifically chosen, it is not clear what your point is? If believing in Christ won't get you into Heaven, then what, do you personally, think does? God isn't the God of confusion, there is no "maybe" you will get into Heaven if you're "good" enough. That is a teaching of Islam. In Christianity, you will go to Heaven if you believe in Christ, you will not go to Heaven if you do not.

OpenStudy (anaise):

Hi, I see you replied. I am a witch. I love doing witchy stuff. I believe in Christ. I worship Satan. I am going to heaven.

OpenStudy (anaise):

Personally I suggest a stroll through old testament and new testament.

OpenStudy (anaise):

Jesus told us to live perfect lives, wtf? So yes if "you're good enough"

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Anaise I'm actually not going to address your first comment since I can't tell if you're being serious or not. To your second comment, I did not say you were Muslim, I just said that "being good enough to go to Heaven" is an Islam teaching. Again, you're honestly being very hostile, why? To your fourth comment, do you have any Biblical text to show where it says Jesus has commanded us to live perfect lives? The Bible has stated many times that it is not works that gets us to Heaven, or "saves" us, but we go there through Christ.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Threats like this and hell will always bring reprecussions. Do you think anyone would not defend themselves if threaten like this are pointed at them, jsut saying such things in person could get you killed in some areanas, and when someone is spiritually theatened they will be a physical response. There are different groups out there vieing for control even among supposed Christian, and if the past is any guide I will not be a warmonger even in the spiritual realm.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@KenLJW Threats like what? That you will go to hell if you don't believe in Christ? (Or what other religions teach). Are you saying that I am threatening Anaise which is why they are reacting hostile?

OpenStudy (anaise):

I am hostile naturally. Jesus said if he could live a perfect life as human then we could too.

OpenStudy (anaise):

And to my first comment, I was using a example. And what you mean is to "Believe and Obey" ~your former Christian

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Is there Biblical text of this? Because Jesus was fully man and fully God. He could not and did not sin. No one on this earth is currently God or will ever reach God's level perfection, therefore, Jesus would never expect us to live a perfect life as a human. In Romans (3:23), it is clearly said that "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..."

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

I see. Are you requesting a response to your first comment, or no?

OpenStudy (anaise):

Are you telling me us as humans cannot live perfect lives?

OpenStudy (anaise):

Hold on

OpenStudy (anaise):

Yes Jesus may or may not expect it, who knows, he could be watching this and be eating popcorn. Jesus came as a human, no he was not God at the time, he was simply human. Under the influence of God. God made us in his image and wanted us to be like him, so are you saying this is rather a luxury?

OpenStudy (anaise):

And why can't you live a perfect life, as abiding to God's rules?

OpenStudy (anaise):

To be christian, is meaning you have been Christianed at a church Because we have many "Christians"

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

Jesus may or may not expect what? Jesus was completely God at the time, He was never just a human. Yes, we are made in God's image and He wants us to be like Him, yes. What is a luxury? You cannot live a perfect life abiding to God's rules because we break those rules all the time. Lustful thoughts about someone not our spouse, lying/dishonesty, stealing, idolatry, and/or adultery, etc. Being a Christian has had many different meanings. Lately, it has taken on an incorrect form of a Bible-beater or a homophobe or other negative things. When truly, to be a Christian means we acknowledge that we are flawed humans, that we cannot properly take control of our lives, and as such, we give Christ full control over the decisions we make as we try to follow Him by spreading the love He has showed us. There are many "Christians," as there are many "Muslims," or "Jews," and so on. It is so in every faith and religion.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

I feel that I should clarify a bit more. If you were to consistently/always abide to God's rules, you would live a perfect life. The reason humans are not perfect, is because we break those rules all the time. I apologize if I caused confusion.

OpenStudy (anaise):

But we can live a perfect life, to me what you're saying sounds like I am entertaining idiocy.

OpenStudy (anaise):

What the flutter? Why would god expect this from us if it is impossible?

OpenStudy (anaise):

I should back down, I am being a hypocrite.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@Anaise I am unsure as to what you are saying. If you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate?

OpenStudy (kenljw):

The problem with most people is they never look at their past life and faults, there are many that are correctable. To be a Christian does not mean just to say I'm a sinner but to correct what you can and grow a little and correct some more. Take some responsiblity as Christ said "Take up your Cross and follow me", which means see what the world has done to you and what you've done to the world.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@KenLJW I think that most sin, if not all, are correctable. It is the sinful nature of man that causes us to struggle with correcting them. You are correct in saying that being a Christian is way more than just saying I am a sinner. We are always growing and attempting to correct the sins that are shown to us through Christ, but as I said, it is the sinful nature that causes us to succumb, every day. "Take up your Cross and follow Me," doesn't quite mean see what the world has done to you and what you've done to the world. It means to die to yourself every day, to reject the flesh's sinful desires, and follow Christ's perfect example. God is understanding. He knows that we will never reach His level of Godliness. It is why His mercy is so amazing, because despite knowing we will always be flawed, He still loves us.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Some use Christ as an excuse to continue doing what they do, as Christ said to the adultrist go and sin no more. There will come a time when your sin will not longer be accepted regardless if you think your a Christian or not. As you actually become aware of a sin seek corrections in any way go can, otherwise just be a addict or kill yourself because like without growth is death.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Unless we know what Heaven IS, we cannot answer such questions. Ask a Jew and a Muslim and an Evangelical Christian to describe heaven. What the Christian describes == Will the Muslim or Jew WANT to go there? Maybe? What the Muslim describes == Will the Jew or Christian WANT to go there? Maybe? What the Jew describes == Will the Christian or Muslim WANT to go there? Maybe? The thieves on the crosses. Was there sudden passage to "Heaven"? The passage reads "Paradise". Is that the same thing? The Greek text has three words- one of which is a holding tank- a place to learn more and to await final judgment. To me, this does not describe the end result. No unclean thing can enter the Kingdom of God. When we make ourselves unclean, there must be some other place prepared for us - unless we repent and become clean through the atonement of the Messiah.

OpenStudy (lifeisadangerousgame):

@KenJW Sin has never been accepted in Christianity, especially if we're Christians. True Christians are always trying to grow. I'm not sure why you would tell anyone to kill themselves. @tkhunny I don't know if a Muslim or Jew will WANT to go to Christianity's Heaven, but I do know that they are welcome as long as they believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior, and, as you said, receive atonement from the Messiah.

OpenStudy (kenljw):

Life without growth is death, inherent in the definition of life. Christ said "I've not come for the righteous" inherent in this is the righteous do exist. In today's world many are lost, in the sense of no growth, in addictions such as sex, illegal drugs, alcohol, and other things where supposed Christian shun and fail to provide salvation. Society has developed other means as 12 step programs and psychology to bring them back to life and grow within the world. Some stay within these programs, others join religious institutions, and a few work on their own assisting others and preparing to meet whatever awaits them. I've had a number of family members commit suicide and some attempted it, I'm not entirely sure why but I know something unbearable must of been going on inside them to take such a drastic action or they were deluded. In either case I do not blame them but the world and its effect on them. Apparently not everyone can adapt or take on certain illusions in life making it acceptable to live. Maybe they decided their worthless, like everyone else say's, or just decided its not worth the trouble.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

And we are children of God. He is our common Father. As His children, to what shall we grow?

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