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OpenStudy (mathmath333):

question{logical reasoning) My next door neighbour lies a lot...

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

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OpenStudy (reemii):

b) is possible

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

how

OpenStudy (reemii):

1) Lie on Mon. and Tue. 2) Today is Wed or Sat or Sun 3) Lie on Wed and Fri If 3) is true, then others are false. In particular, 1) is false. Therefore 3) has been said on Mon or Tue. If 2) has to be false, the only possibility is that the truth is told on Tue so that 2) was told on Monday, which makes 2) false as well.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

The second option is either thurs, sat or sun

OpenStudy (reemii):

okay... hm, but it still works! :-)

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

so what's the day when she said the first statement?

OpenStudy (reemii):

Sunday

rebeccaxhawaii (rebeccaxhawaii):

that may be the day he tells the truth

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

No contradiction Sunday makes the first statement false which makes the second statement false

OpenStudy (reemii):

No, because [Lie on Mon and Tue] and [Lie on Wed and Fri] cannot both be correct

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

If first statement is false, which means she doesnt lie on Moday which means she isnt going to lie on the monday, second statement

OpenStudy (reemii):

1) false doesn't imply Truth on Monday. Could be on Tuesday.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

1 says he doesn't lie on MONDAYS AND on TUESDAYS. So the next day is Monday which should be the day she is going to say the truth. But according to you, she says truth on tuesday.

OpenStudy (reemii):

What is 1) for you?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

you mean which day is 1 for me?

OpenStudy (reemii):

What is the Day of 1) and the phrase 1) itsself.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

I am not sure about the day, still working out the possibilities

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Wait a minute one day a week can mean that he will say truth on sat , lie on sun and say truth again on monday(next week)?

OpenStudy (reemii):

Yes, but the phrases are told on 3 consecutive days.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

saturday, the next day sunday the next day monday

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

but that will give different answers for "truth" days so that cant be a posssibility

OpenStudy (reemii):

I didn't understand. What is the day of Truth for you, with Sat-Sun-Mon talking days?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

saturday and monday both

OpenStudy (reemii):

The statement says that "my neighbour only tells the truth on one day of the week". Maybe you missed this

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

You didn't get my point but still my theory will give many answers so cant be what the question is asking

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

None of these and Saturday is the day he says truth

OpenStudy (reemii):

and the first day?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Thursday

OpenStudy (reemii):

then 1) is a lie, which means the truth is told on Mon or Tue. Not on Saturday.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Not in this week

OpenStudy (reemii):

hehe..

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Becuase either the first statement is going to be true or the third one and they will keep contradicting each other if followed through your logic

OpenStudy (reemii):

I don't see the contradiction in my answer. (which was Truth on Tuesday, first day is Sunday)

OpenStudy (reemii):

@mathmath333 intervention?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

First satement say I say truth on monday (since it get falsified) The next day is Monday, thus she has to say the truth The next day is Tuesday and according to you thats the truth day Thus two days can't be truth days

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

in book answer given is tuesday

OpenStudy (reemii):

IF "Lie on Monday and Tuesday" is false, that doesn't mean that BOTH Monday and Tuesday are days of Truth. Just one of them is enough.

OpenStudy (reemii):

and there can be only one. So I tested with Tuesday and it worked.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

But that will give many answers

OpenStudy (reemii):

This is true: not (lie on Mon and Tue) == (truth on Mon) OR (truth on Tue) This is not true: not (lie on Mon and Tue) == (truth on Mon) AND (truth on Tue)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

how did u concluded that only statement 3 is correct

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

can't i assume all statements 1 2 3 false

OpenStudy (reemii):

I started with "1) and 3) can't be both true or both false. So 1) is true or 3) is true. I tested 3): truth on Mon or Tue. To make 2) false, starting day must be Sun. It works. and I checked other answers do not work.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

And even Thurs, Fri, Sat (truth) doesnt provide any logical contradiction

OpenStudy (reemii):

1) and 3) are not both true: because the neighbour tells truth only once. 1) and 3) are not both false: bceause that would make at least two days with truth.

OpenStudy (reemii):

@mathmath333 1 2 3 all false would mean 1) and 3) false : there is a truth-day in Mon-Tue, and there is a truth-day in Wed-Fri. impossible.

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

how can u contradict if statement 1 2 3 are F F T and truth day is saturday

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

No there is no contradiction but I think they are just concerned with monday tuesday and wednesday

OpenStudy (reemii):

@mathmath333 1) on Thur 2) on Fri 3) on Sat (true) Like this?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

yes

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

^

OpenStudy (reemii):

Sicne he lies on Thursday (he MUST because it is not Saturday), then "Lie on Mon and Tue" is a lie. => he tells the truth on Monday, OR he tells the truth on Tuesday. Either way, that makes it a second day for telling the truth.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

what????

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Friday is the next day

OpenStudy (reemii):

In your example, 1) is said on Thursday?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Yes

OpenStudy (reemii):

Do you agree that it is a lie ?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Ofcourse

OpenStudy (reemii):

He has pronounced "I lie on Monday and Tuesday" on that day. Still ok ?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Hmm can you do it a little fast

OpenStudy (reemii):

If I do it fast, you don't agree with me.

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

the negation of "I lie on Monday and Tuesday" is " either i say truth on monday or tuesday" is it correct

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

1.) Lie on Moday and tuesday--->Truth on monday and tuesday 2) Today is thursday and since he is lying (cause Friday) no contradiction 3) I lie on Wednesday and Friday. No contradiction arises since Saturday and is telling the truth

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

I am pretty sure it's just because they are concerned with the first three days of the week.

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

"Truth on monday and tuesday" this contrdicts with the idea that the neighbour lies only once a week

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

No it means that he tells truth on some weeks monday and on some weeks tuesday

OpenStudy (reemii):

If ["Lie on Mon and Tue"] is a lie, then the negation of it is true. The negation of "lie on Mon AND lie on Tue is "truth on Mon OR truth on Tue". At least one of those days is truth-day. Therefore, Mon/Tue + Saturday makes 2 days of truth.

OpenStudy (reemii):

It cannot vary accross weeks... that's cheating :)

OpenStudy (math&ing001):

We can sum this up like this: Day 1: statement1 = "I lie on Mondays and on Tuesdays" Day 2: statement2 = "Today is either Thursday, Saturday or Sunday" Day 3: statement3 = "I lie on Wednesdays and Fridays" We have two possibilities, the first one is that these three days don't contain the day in which he tells the truth, and the second is that one of these three days is the day in which he tells the truth. If the first possibility is correct then statement1 and statement2 are false. i.e { he tells the truth in Mondays or Tuesdays } AND { he tells the truth in Wednesdays or Fridays }. Meaning there are two days in the week in which he tells the truth. #contradiction Which leaves us with possibility #2. There are three choices of days in which he tells the truth: Day 1 or Day 2 or Day 3. Suppose he tells the truth in day 1. Then Day 1 is not Monday nor Tuesday. Statement2 is false then Day 1 is neither Wednesday nor Friday nor Saturday. So day 1 (the day in which he tells the truth) is either Thursday or Sunday Statement3 is false so he tells the truth in either Wednesdays or Fridays. #contradiction Now Suppose he tells the truth in day 2. Statement1 is false so he tells the truth in either Mondays and or Tuesdays. Statement2 is true then today (the day in which he tells the truth is either Thursday, Saturday or Sunday). #contradiction Finally suppose he tells the truth in Day 3. He tells the truth in Mondays or Tuesdays (ie day 3 is either Monday or Tuesday) Day 2 is not Thursday, Saturday or Sunday (ie day 3 is NOT Friday, Sunday, or Monday) Hence the day in which he tells the truth is Tuesday.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think is monday and thrusday

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