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OpenStudy (anonymous):
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
OpenStudy (anonymous):
@hartnn can u help me?
hartnn (hartnn):
what have you tried?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I just can't start
I tried substituting every 2^x by
OpenStudy (anonymous):
log(base2)2^x
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hartnn (hartnn):
let 2^x = X for simplicity.
y= X/(1+X)
got this?
can you isolate X?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
what do u mean by isolating x
hartnn (hartnn):
to find the inverse function of y = f(x)
we need to isolate x,
right?
something like x = ... (terms only containing y)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
aha
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I will try
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
x= 1-y
OpenStudy (anonymous):
soorry
x=y-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
nope
hartnn (hartnn):
did you get this?
et 2^x = X for simplicity.
y= X/(1+X)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
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hartnn (hartnn):
good,
y = X/(1+X)
fir starters,
multiply both sides by (1+X)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
y(x+1) =x
hartnn (hartnn):
now distribute
y(X+1) = ... ?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yx+y =x
OpenStudy (anonymous):
then switching?
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hartnn (hartnn):
yes,
get the equation in the form
X = ... (only y terms)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
x = y/ y+1
hartnn (hartnn):
sure?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I switched y and x then taking x as a factor
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
then i divided by y+1 in both sides
hartnn (hartnn):
X = (1+X)y
X = y + Xy
X - Xy = y
X(1-y) = y
X = y/(1-y)
at which step did you make the error? :)
hartnn (hartnn):
by switching y and x, you just replaced x by y and y by x?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
hartnn (hartnn):
then you'll have to isolate y
and you should get
y = X/(1-X)
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hartnn (hartnn):
but don't do that, it'll create confusion
hartnn (hartnn):
X = (1+X)y
X = y + Xy
X - Xy = y
X(1-y) = y
X = y/(1-y)
Did you get this?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I see
hartnn (hartnn):
now X = 2^x
remember?
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hartnn (hartnn):
2^x = y/(1-y)
take log on both sides!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
how can I take the log on the side of y/1-y
hartnn (hartnn):
right sides will simply be
\(\ln (\dfrac{y}{1-y})\)
hartnn (hartnn):
what did u get for left?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
x
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
but why ln on the right side
or did u mean log
hartnn (hartnn):
i meant logarithm,
you could take any base,
ln has base e
taking log to the base 2 was correct :)
hartnn (hartnn):
so you took log with the base 2 :)
finally you have
\(x = \log_2 (\dfrac{y}{1-y})\)
actually, thats it!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
aha then the last step is switching
hartnn (hartnn):
yessss!
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
Thanks buddy for helping me
hartnn (hartnn):
most welcome ^_^
you could do part b) ?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sorry i got another question
hartnn (hartnn):
ok
OpenStudy (anonymous):
what is the domain
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
of this inverse we got
hartnn (hartnn):
domain is all the values that x can take.
you're asking part (b), right?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
hartnn (hartnn):
log of negative numbers is not defined.
so,
y/(1-y) must be positive.
makes sense?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
and 1 is not defined
hartnn (hartnn):
2 cases:
1. both numerator and denominator must be positive
2. both numerator and denominator must be negative
wanna try on your own first?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
hartnn (hartnn):
1. y> 0 and
1-y > 0
...
OR
2. y<0 and
1-y < 0
...
go ahead!
hartnn (hartnn):
let me know when you get the domain :)
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hartnn (hartnn):
if you've already switched x and y,
1. x>0 and
1-x > 0
...
OR
2. x<0 and
1-x < 0
...
OpenStudy (anonymous):
]0,1[
hartnn (hartnn):
[0,1]
or
(0,1)
?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I wanna know something
hartnn (hartnn):
note : ln 0 is not defined in real
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
(0.1)
hartnn (hartnn):
yes, (0,1) :)
what did you wanna know?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
1. x>0 and
1-x > 0
...
OR
2. x<0 and
1-x < 0
why did u wrote number 2?
and i think number 2 doesn't make sense
how to solve it
hartnn (hartnn):
-3/-4 is positive, right??
OpenStudy (anonymous):
right
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hartnn (hartnn):
a/b is positive if
a and b both are positive
OR
a and b both are negative
hartnn (hartnn):
thats why we have to consider 2. also.
x<0 and 1-x<0
OpenStudy (anonymous):
aha
but 2 is wrong in this example or I mean that it didn't make sense, right?
hartnn (hartnn):
now
1-x < 0
means
x>1
BUT,
x<0 "and" x>1 is simultaneously NOT possible.
hence we do not get any solutions from 2.
hartnn (hartnn):
see if that makes sense ^^
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yea
hartnn (hartnn):
good :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I see thanks bro
hartnn (hartnn):
welcome ^_^
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Can u help me in something
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hartnn (hartnn):
sure
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I intended to take SAT II Math
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So I am Studying from Pre-calculus James Stewart's book
is it good ?
hartnn (hartnn):
I never took SAT... so I can't comment on the book, sorry...
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
thanks bro ^_^