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OpenStudy (anonymous):

I need Help

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@hartnn can u help me?

hartnn (hartnn):

what have you tried?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just can't start I tried substituting every 2^x by

OpenStudy (anonymous):

log(base2)2^x

hartnn (hartnn):

let 2^x = X for simplicity. y= X/(1+X) got this? can you isolate X?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what do u mean by isolating x

hartnn (hartnn):

to find the inverse function of y = f(x) we need to isolate x, right? something like x = ... (terms only containing y)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

aha

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will try

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x= 1-y

OpenStudy (anonymous):

soorry x=y-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nope

hartnn (hartnn):

did you get this? et 2^x = X for simplicity. y= X/(1+X)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

hartnn (hartnn):

good, y = X/(1+X) fir starters, multiply both sides by (1+X)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y(x+1) =x

hartnn (hartnn):

now distribute y(X+1) = ... ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yx+y =x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then switching?

hartnn (hartnn):

yes, get the equation in the form X = ... (only y terms)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x = y/ y+1

hartnn (hartnn):

sure?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I switched y and x then taking x as a factor

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then i divided by y+1 in both sides

hartnn (hartnn):

X = (1+X)y X = y + Xy X - Xy = y X(1-y) = y X = y/(1-y) at which step did you make the error? :)

hartnn (hartnn):

by switching y and x, you just replaced x by y and y by x?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

hartnn (hartnn):

then you'll have to isolate y and you should get y = X/(1-X)

hartnn (hartnn):

but don't do that, it'll create confusion

hartnn (hartnn):

X = (1+X)y X = y + Xy X - Xy = y X(1-y) = y X = y/(1-y) Did you get this?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I see

hartnn (hartnn):

now X = 2^x remember?

hartnn (hartnn):

2^x = y/(1-y) take log on both sides!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how can I take the log on the side of y/1-y

hartnn (hartnn):

right sides will simply be \(\ln (\dfrac{y}{1-y})\)

hartnn (hartnn):

what did u get for left?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but why ln on the right side or did u mean log

hartnn (hartnn):

i meant logarithm, you could take any base, ln has base e taking log to the base 2 was correct :)

hartnn (hartnn):

so you took log with the base 2 :) finally you have \(x = \log_2 (\dfrac{y}{1-y})\) actually, thats it!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

aha then the last step is switching

hartnn (hartnn):

yessss!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks buddy for helping me

hartnn (hartnn):

most welcome ^_^ you could do part b) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry i got another question

hartnn (hartnn):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is the domain

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of this inverse we got

hartnn (hartnn):

domain is all the values that x can take. you're asking part (b), right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

hartnn (hartnn):

log of negative numbers is not defined. so, y/(1-y) must be positive. makes sense?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and 1 is not defined

hartnn (hartnn):

2 cases: 1. both numerator and denominator must be positive 2. both numerator and denominator must be negative wanna try on your own first?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

hartnn (hartnn):

1. y> 0 and 1-y > 0 ... OR 2. y<0 and 1-y < 0 ... go ahead!

hartnn (hartnn):

let me know when you get the domain :)

hartnn (hartnn):

if you've already switched x and y, 1. x>0 and 1-x > 0 ... OR 2. x<0 and 1-x < 0 ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

]0,1[

hartnn (hartnn):

[0,1] or (0,1) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I wanna know something

hartnn (hartnn):

note : ln 0 is not defined in real

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(0.1)

hartnn (hartnn):

yes, (0,1) :) what did you wanna know?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1. x>0 and 1-x > 0 ... OR 2. x<0 and 1-x < 0 why did u wrote number 2? and i think number 2 doesn't make sense how to solve it

hartnn (hartnn):

-3/-4 is positive, right??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

hartnn (hartnn):

a/b is positive if a and b both are positive OR a and b both are negative

hartnn (hartnn):

thats why we have to consider 2. also. x<0 and 1-x<0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

aha but 2 is wrong in this example or I mean that it didn't make sense, right?

hartnn (hartnn):

now 1-x < 0 means x>1 BUT, x<0 "and" x>1 is simultaneously NOT possible. hence we do not get any solutions from 2.

hartnn (hartnn):

see if that makes sense ^^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea

hartnn (hartnn):

good :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I see thanks bro

hartnn (hartnn):

welcome ^_^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can u help me in something

hartnn (hartnn):

sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I intended to take SAT II Math

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So I am Studying from Pre-calculus James Stewart's book is it good ?

hartnn (hartnn):

I never took SAT... so I can't comment on the book, sorry...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks bro ^_^

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