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OpenStudy (christos):

Limits, can somebody tell me how would you solve the limit n * sin(pi/n) as n goes to infinity

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Maybe start by substituting pi/n = x

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

As n goes to infinity, where will x go to ?

OpenStudy (christos):

infinity

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Think a bit

OpenStudy (christos):

sorry I ment zero

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Good. Just notice that the sequence 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, ... approaches 0 as the bottom gets large

OpenStudy (christos):

still we have infinity * ero

OpenStudy (christos):

zero *

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, what is the expression after making the substitution ?

OpenStudy (christos):

n(sin(x)) ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Don't want to see any n's

OpenStudy (christos):

pi/x * sin(x)

OpenStudy (christos):

uhmmm

OpenStudy (christos):

this feels weird

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

please show the limit also

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yeah it should feel weird

OpenStudy (christos):

is the limit zero

OpenStudy (christos):

I dont think I have a denominator after the sub

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so we have to figure out the limit sin(x)/x as x tends to 0

OpenStudy (christos):

scratch that

OpenStudy (christos):

so basically this is 0/0

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, you may use Lhospital if you want

OpenStudy (christos):

but I dont have inf/inf

OpenStudy (christos):

or does LHS apply with 0/0 too

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes it applies to both 0/0 and inf/inf

OpenStudy (christos):

aha!

OpenStudy (christos):

thanks a lot

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

There are few other ways to do this. I'd like to show you another way

OpenStudy (christos):

Ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Remember the limit definition of derivative ?

OpenStudy (christos):

yup

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

How do you find the derivative of sinx at x = 0 ?

OpenStudy (christos):

lim y-> inf (f(x +y) -f(x) / y

OpenStudy (christos):

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OpenStudy (christos):

0 * *

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[[f(x)]'(a) = \lim\limits_{x\to a}~\dfrac{f(x) - f(a)}{x-a}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Plugin f(x) = sinx and a = 0

OpenStudy (christos):

lim x -> 0 of [sin(x) - sin(0)] / x

OpenStudy (christos):

so basically LHS ?

OpenStudy (christos):

because that leaves me with a 0/0 form once again

OpenStudy (christos):

lim x -> 0 of sin(x) / x

OpenStudy (christos):

~~LHS~~

OpenStudy (christos):

hm

OpenStudy (christos):

im getting a bit rusty :D

OpenStudy (christos):

lim x->0 cos(x)

OpenStudy (christos):

I guess using LHS with the definition of the derivative is like a no go

OpenStudy (christos):

:D

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Hey still here ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

The idea here is to use the derivative to figure out the limit value

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

The derivative of sinx is cosx so the limit evaluates to cos(0)

OpenStudy (christos):

yes

OpenStudy (christos):

so lim x->0 cos(x) = 1

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