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OpenStudy (abbles):

Limits questions

OpenStudy (abbles):

I'm working on 21-24. I got 3 as the limit for 21, but I wasn't sure what they meant by "the definition of the derivative". I just multiplied out and simplified, then plugged in 0 for h.

OpenStudy (abbles):

OpenStudy (hafeda):

the form of the question is the definition of limit,

OpenStudy (hafeda):

\[\lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\frac{ f(x+h) - f(x)}{ h }\]

OpenStudy (royalranger):

Definition of Derivative: \[\lim_{h \rightarrow 0} \frac{ f(x+h) - f(x) }{ h }\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

The numerator is composed of these two pieces: The first part:\[\large\rm f(\color{orangered}{1+h})=2(\color{orangered}{1+h})^2-(\color{orangered}{1+h})\]And then what is being subtracted off (the 1) is actually this,\[\large\rm f(\color{orangered}{1})=2(\color{orangered}{1})^2-(\color{orangered}{1})\]

OpenStudy (misty1212):

HI!!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Do you you sort of see what's going on abble? This is the limit definition for this function,\[\large\rm f(\color{orangered}{x})=2(\color{orangered}{x})^2-(\color{orangered}{x})\]

OpenStudy (misty1212):

they are telling you they are derivatives , that is the hint

zepdrix (zepdrix):

evaluated at x=1.

OpenStudy (hafeda):

u might also see this as a definition for limit : \[\left| F(x) - L \right| <\epsilon \] \[\left| x- a \right| < \delta\]

OpenStudy (misty1212):

so for example 22 is the derivative of sine, evaluated at \(\frac{\pi}{2}\) if you know the derivative of sine, plug in \(\frac{\pi}{2}\)

OpenStudy (abbles):

Yes zep, that makes sense... how would I go about evaluating the limit?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Once you've discovered what the function is, just use your shortcut for differentiating (power rule) and then plug in x=1. Bypass the whole limit thing.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Wait, is the formula that two people posted about the definition of the derivative or the definition of a limit?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

The limit definition of a derivative.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Okay, thanks. So when I differentiate I should get 4x - x, plug in 1 and get 3 as the limit :D Thanks zep! What about for the others though? They don't look exactly like the formula...

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If \(\large\rm f(x)=2x^2-x\) Then,\[\large\rm f'(1)=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{2(1+h)^2-(1+h)-\left[2(1)^2-1\right]}{h}\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ya, you're taking a shortcut :D Fun stuff!

zepdrix (zepdrix):

How bout 23? Think about what's going on with that pi :) hmm

zepdrix (zepdrix):

mmmm pie

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If it IS the form of a derivative, then it must be something like this,\[\large\rm \lim_{h\to0}\frac{\cos(\pi+h)+1}{h}\quad=\quad \lim_{h\to0}\frac{\cos(\pi+h)-\cos(\pi)}{h}\quad\]right? :o

OpenStudy (abbles):

Ooh interesting

OpenStudy (abbles):

So then is f(x) -cos(pi) ?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

It looks like f(x)=cos(x) right? Evaluated at x=pi

OpenStudy (abbles):

Ohh okay

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\(\large\rm f(x)=cos(x)\) With,\[\large\rm f'(\pi)=\lim_{h\to0}\frac{\cos(\pi+h)-\cos(\pi)}{h}\]

OpenStudy (abbles):

Okay that makes perfect sense. Thanks zep. I see 22 now as well. f(x) will be sin(x) evaluated at pi/2.

OpenStudy (abbles):

What about that 24 though O.O

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Oh 24.. they're using the OTHER derivative definition. Do you remember this one?\[\large\rm f'(a)=\lim_{x\to a}\frac{f(x)-f(a)}{x-a}\]It doesn't come up as often.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\large\rm f'(8)=\lim_{x\to 8}\frac{f(x)-f(8)}{x-8}\]

OpenStudy (abbles):

Oh yeah, that does look familiar. Would I find the derivative of f(x)? Which would be 2x^(-1/3) I believe

OpenStudy (abbles):

Evaluated at x=8, which would give me 1 as the limit

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Hmm I dunno.. I think that 3 is messing things up...

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Ya someone made a typo here. Perhaps they meant for the problem to be this,\[\large\rm \lim_{x\to8}\frac{3(x^{2/3}-4)}{x-8}\]Because it doesn't make any sense right now... hmm

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Because if f(x) = 3x^(2/3) Then we would expect f(8) = 3(8)^(2/3) But that doesn't give us 4.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Do you have an answer key to go along with these? :d

OpenStudy (abbles):

The answer key says 1... hmm

zepdrix (zepdrix):

\[\large\rm \lim_{x\to8}\frac{3(x^{2/3}-4)}{x-8}=1\]Ya just a typo :d Or more likely the teacher probably intended for it to be this,\[\large\rm \lim_{x\to8}\frac{3x^{2/3}-12}{x-8}\]Which is the same thing.

OpenStudy (abbles):

Thanks so much zep :)

OpenStudy (abbles):

Typos are the worst in math tho :/

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