calculus help
@mathmale a lot of my questions are harder to upload because i can no longer upload files or pictures ugh:-(
What sort of questions are they? We could talk later about how you might share illustrations of the problems you're working on. Could you find one question that would not be hard to describe in words alone?
sorry i really need help now i will upload one
Glad to be of help and glad that our relationship is improving. I have to be firm, however: I need 100% of your attention to continue. I'd normally be going to bed at this hour.
im so sorry! and yes, i really appreciate your help
Differentiate y equals the quotient of the quantity 1 plus sine x and the quantity 1 minus cosine x. –1 –2csc(x)sec(x) 2csc(x)sec(x) the quotient of negative 1 times sine x plus cosine x minus 1 and the square of the quantity 1 minus cosine x
i can use the equation thing but i think it will take a lot longer, if we can work from this that'd be best
Differentiate y equals the quotient of the quantity 1 plus sine x and the quantity 1 minus cosine x. 1 + sin x Differentiate: f(x) =
1 - cos x Obviously this is a quotient function, so we need to apply the quotient rule. Do you have that rule written down in front of you?
yes sir
The derivative of (f/g)(x) is g(x) * f '(x) - f(x) * g '(x)
[g(x)]^2
ah im seeing
Now, looking back to your original problem, let the numerator, f(x), be 1 + sin x and the denominator be g(x), 1 -cos x. Let's find the derivatives of f and g alone first, as we will need them soon. f(x) = 1 + sin x what is the derivative, f '(x)? g(x) = 1 - cos x. What is the derivative, g '(x)?
so the derivative for f'(x) is-> 1 + sin x the derivative for f'(x) -> sin (x)
We need to back up a bit. f(x) = 1 + sin x. Since the deriv. of 1 is 0 and the deriv of sin x is cos x, the overall derivative f '(x) is cos x. You OK with that?
ok
then write the overall derivative of the given fraction. It will have this form: g(x) * f '(x) - f(x) * g '(x)
[ g(x) ]^2 Does this agree with your quotient rule formula?
hmm i believe so!
OK. First, a summary of our values: f(x) = 1 + sin x f '(x) = cos x g(x) = 1 - cos x g '(x) = sin x. Agree or disagree?
agree!
Cool.
ok, so what next
so we go on our merrie way and write out the derivative of the original function following the quotient rule. The very first quantity that shows up is g(x). So we start out with this: (1-cos x) * ( ) - (1 + sin x) * ?
[ 1 - cos x ] ^ 2 can you fill in the missing quantities? There are two. One: inside ( ) Two: What does the "?" represent here?
Which of the four quantities listed goes inside the parentheses ( ) ? Which replaces " ? " in the equation above?
Hint: inside those parentheses you want the derivative of the function f(x). We already have that derivative.
im not sure :-( I'm sorry
OK. First, a summary of our values: f(x) = 1 + sin x f '(x) = cos x g(x) = 1 - cos x g '(x) = sin x. Inside those parentheses, write "cos x," which is the same as " f '(x) "
Replace the question mark with g '(x), which is "sin x" Write out the whole works now.
ok, well i am working it out and Im definitely ruling out answer "D"
I erased that because it was missing the horizonal line that indicates division. (1-cos x) * ( ) - (1 + sin x) * ?
is now correct. [ 1 - cos x ] ^ 2
sorry it spaced out on me!!! @mathmale can we still continue help?
Having trouble with my connection. Not abandoning you.
i know sorry, i was too i had to reload one time
and i just read what you wrote out, makes a lot more sense to me now !
(1-cos x) * ( ) becomes (1-cos x) * ( cos x ) and - (1 + sin x) * ? becomes - (1 + sin x) * sin x
If we multiply those out as indicated and combine terms, we get cos x - sin x - 1 (because (cos x)^2 + (sin x)^2 = 1 )
oh i see! I'm writing all this down, this will be so helpful in the future
Remember that your final result is a fraction. If we haven't made any mistakes, then that fraction would look like this: (1-cos x) * ( cos x ) - (1 + sin x) * ( sin x)
[ 1 - cos x ] ^ 2 or 1 - (cos x)^2 - [ sin x + (sin x)^2 ]
[1 - cos x ]^2
ohh wow (writing this down still), i can see we are almost to the results right?
I have made an error or two, but we are very, very close to the correct answer. I need to stop now, as I'm really tired. We can follow up on this problem tomorrow to ensure that it's completely clear to you. ga
ok- will you be on in the morning? east coast time?
thank you for your help by the way, looking forward to working tomorrow!
I'm in southern California, so 9 am. here would be noon on the east coast.
Best way in which you could help yourself at this point would be to do as much as possible on all 7 of your remaining questions; i'll help with at least some of them. Goes faster if you've already studied them and tried to solve them.
You're welcome! Good night.
ok thank you talk to you tomorrow!
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