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GlockParrot69:

Here it is!! https://s18.postimg.org/prpylg4x5/question_number_1.png

GlockParrot69:

@Shadow

Shadow:

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GlockParrot69:

for the observer from the earth's point of view should see the light move at speed C - the speed of the airplane?

GlockParrot69:

that's a minus btw

Shadow:

|dw:1518736168752:dw| They are both vectors, since they have direction. Plane is going the opposite direction, therefore you must subtract 300 from C.

GlockParrot69:

yeah thats what i thot.

Shadow:

That's if you're on the plane though

GlockParrot69:

wait let me draw a quick diagram of the questioin and see if my pen werks or nahh

Shadow:

Moving classes, give me a couple min

GlockParrot69:

wait.....what? are you telling me that the person standing on the earth should see the light move at speed C opposite to the airplane's direction??? yeah actually that makes sense. sorry im dumb

GlockParrot69:

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GlockParrot69:

nope my pen still doesn't work...at least on this site. ....

GlockParrot69:

so from a non-inertial reference frame the speed of light would be C and from and inertial frame of reference the speed of light would be C - the velocity of the plane

Shadow:

Haha, first time I have heard that terminology "non-inertial reference frame" and "interial frame of reference." How would you describe those?

GlockParrot69:

jesus....really? :O

GlockParrot69:

inertial frame of reference is if an object is moving with respect to what you are trying to make your calculations with....

GlockParrot69:

for example in this scenario.... the inertial frame of reference would be the person turning on the flash light while being on the airplane

Shadow:

Person on the ground, non inertial?

GlockParrot69:

and the non-inertial frame reference is the earth...or the person standing on the surface looking at the light passing by at speed C

GlockParrot69:

yeah

GlockParrot69:

this is why earth is considered a non-inertial frame of reference....because anything that is on the surface is considered stationary

Shadow:

Mhm, I get it.

GlockParrot69:

sorry its the other way around.... inertial frame of reference is stationary and the non-inertial frame reference is moving

GlockParrot69:

when i say stationary...i mean either moving at a constant speed or completely at rest. and non-inertial frame of uhgggg....is acceleration with respect to the inertial frame of blahblah blah

Shadow:

Inertial frame = no acceleration in respect to observed project Non-inertial = accelerating in respect to observed object It makes sense. If I run at the same speed that a bird flies it, I would think we were both stationary without the background to compare it against (our eyes use relative velocity to determine if something is moving).

GlockParrot69:

so what do you suggest bout the question.>?????!?!!

Shadow:

Which one, a or b

GlockParrot69:

a

Shadow:

From Earth's frame of reference: The light would travel at C - 300 The ball would travel at 20 - 300

GlockParrot69:

wait.... let my brain process that...1 sec

GlockParrot69:

what about.....the non-inertial frame of reference.....the person who threw the ball and shined the light?

GlockParrot69:

how would be perceive the two things from his point of perspective.

Shadow:

Same way if he did it on Earth.

GlockParrot69:

really? wait....processes info*

GlockParrot69:

yeah it kinda make sense

Shadow:

I mean, you have been on an airplane before, right?

GlockParrot69:

yeah

EvieSwan2405:

Hai Parrot!

GlockParrot69:

hello swan. not here plz. getting help :) if u dont mind. :)

Shadow:

Lets say plane is moving East towards Europe East = pos West = neg I am on the plane. I throw something towards the West at 20m/s. It looks to me like it goes 20m/s. Though I shouldn't be throwing things at 20m/s on an airplane. Yet the airplane is going at 300m/s. From Earth's perspective, that thing would travel at neither 300m/s, nor 20ms, but 280m/s

GlockParrot69:

processes*

GlockParrot69:

yeah your answer is correct but the ball isn't literally travelling at 280m/s west.... 280 would be the net velocity of the ball east.

GlockParrot69:

oh btw one more queston.....

Shadow:

From Earth's perspective.

Shadow:

It isn't actually going at that speed.

GlockParrot69:

yeah from earth's perspective...

Shadow:

But again, it's all relative xD

GlockParrot69:

yeah depends how you look at it.

GlockParrot69:

anyway one more quick question....u can answer it here..nothing major

GlockParrot69:

so let's assume that the plane is travelling at 0.40C of speed of light. It flies around the world for a year. There's another clock on the earth measuring the time it left. my questioin is after 1 year. will the clock on the plane ever merg with the clock on the earth...???assuming you bring the clock back to earth

Shadow:

Is this a HW question or curiosity question?

GlockParrot69:

it's actually an assignment queston...but i want your remarks...on it tho

GlockParrot69:

i think the clocks dont ever sync but i could be wrong

Shadow:

Well, what's your reasoning for them not syncing?

GlockParrot69:

take the example of two human beings....one goes to the space on a space trip at half the speed while the other one stays on earth....after a year, when big brother returns to earth he sees his brother aged more than him ....in that sense their age has been permanently shifted...

Shadow:

But a year has passed for both of them. How did the brother in space age more?

GlockParrot69:

the brother in space aged much less than the brother on earth

Shadow:

Okay, vice versa then. How did that happen?

GlockParrot69:

cuz they both experience time at difference pace

GlockParrot69:

as you travel closer and closer to the speed of light, time tends to slow down for you, while the person who experience time at speed time will experince no change in time

GlockParrot69:

time is considered a 4 dimension

GlockParrot69:

estially as u travel closer to the speed of light, the light is going to take more time to reach you...thus you experience less time and thus feel less aged

GlockParrot69:

again you're making measurement from a non-inertial frame of reference

GlockParrot69:

assumeing you are travelling at half the speed

Vocaloid:

@sillybilly123 may we have some assistance

GlockParrot69:

here's a quick example for you....if i were to tell you to take sprint to the edge of the solar system and come back at 0.99C of light while your older brother stays on earth.....the time it takes you to get to the edge of the solar system and come back will be half the time that your brother experiences on earth...because it takes time to cover distance and since you are travelling away from the light source....for half of the trip, you will expereince your past present and future in one moment/at once while your getting to the edge of the solar system...remember you're travelling at speed C. However when u r heading back to earth, the light reaches you at C as you are travelling at C. so that is the only normal time you'll ever experience in this journey... your brother on earth will experience time as normal

GlockParrot69:

@Shadow

GlockParrot69:

i have to go now :/ sad bye :* thanks for the help tho...ily :* <3

Shadow:

Lol, I was here, was just experiencing a bug that I had put upon myself (The 3 Tab Bug on Chrome).

Ultrilliam:

Note: Never a good idea to open 3 tabs of QC at the same time on chrome x'D

Sam:

I'd say the answer is yes, IF "It flies around the world for a year" is from the plane's point of reference, and because it is travelling "faster" than the earth (Speed of Plane+Earth>Earth) 0.40C is very fast and that sort of "slows down" the plane's clock speed, but the earth clock is fine because it's speed isn't changed so, by the time the plane has passed it's one year, the earth time is definitely more than a year. So the plane's clock will meet the earth's clock except both calendars are different

sillybilly123:

Voca this is pure trolling.

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