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zarkam21:

Help With Calculus

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

@Shadow @Vocaloid

Mercury:

if cos(x) = 3x/pi somewhere between 0 and pi/2 then cos(x) - 3x/pi = 0 must have a solution between 0 and pi/2 evaluate cos(x) - 3x/pi at both endpoints (so evaluate it at x = 0 and x = pi/2), and see if 0 is contained between the two results

zarkam21:

It is

zarkam21:

@SmokeyBrown

Vocaloid:

then that's it, you're done with the proof

zarkam21:

Do I have to make a graph

Vocaloid:

not really, the algebraic proof should be enough if your teacher allows it, sure, why not

zarkam21:

okay so the evaluation for the pointzero would equal zero and the evaluation at th epoint pi/2 = -1.5

Vocaloid:

hm close, I think cos(x) - 3x/pi ends up being 1 at x = 0 and -1.5 at pi/2

Vocaloid:

cos(0) - 3(0)/pi = cos(0) = 1 now, since 0 is between 1 and -1.5, then the intermediate value 0 is a solution, therefore making cos(x) - 3x/pi = 0 somewhere between the interval, therefore making cos(x) = 3x/pi somewhere between the interval, thus completing the proof

Vocaloid:

if you want to prove this graphically, you can graph cos(x) - 3x/pi between 0 and pi/2 and it will end up crossing the x-axis somewhere, thus showing the proof visually

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

DO I just make a graph of this polynomial for this question>

Vocaloid:

you could, yeah, you'd just pick an interval that shows that the function has at least one positive value and one negative value, as well as being continuous

zarkam21:

So whats the best way to do this problem like make a graph or another way

Vocaloid:

I'd probably show it algebraically, you can pick 1 x-value that gives a positive output value, and 1 x-value that gives a negative output value, and, assuming the function is continuous (which it is) that proves that it crosses the x-axis somewhere and thus has at least one root

Vocaloid:

to save you some time x = 0 and x = 1 fulfill this requirement

zarkam21:

so when I substitute 0 I get 1 When I substitute 1 I get -9

Vocaloid:

good, since one result is + and the other is - that means 0 must be an intermediate value thus proving there's a root between x = 1 and x = 0

zarkam21:

Sorry I'm making notes as I go so I'm replying a little late

Vocaloid:

yeah, np, graphing would work, it's just that making a graph isn't always practical especially on an exam

zarkam21:

zarkam21:

And btw for the previous question do you just pick any two points and work with it

Vocaloid:

for the intermediate value problems, yes, I try to pick x-values that are easy to calculate, and work in terms of proving the intermediate value

Vocaloid:

anyway for 3 you need to take the derivative of sqrt(x+1) according to derivative rules, bring the exponent down as a coefficient, reduce the exponent by 1, and take the derivative of what's inside the parentheses

zarkam21:

SO If I were to pick 0 and 2 It would still work

Vocaloid:

yes

zarkam21:

OKay perfect

zarkam21:

I'm confused, what is the exponent in sqrt (x+1)

Vocaloid:

sqrt(x+1) is equivalent to (x+1)^(1/2) so the exponent would be 1/2

Vocaloid:

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zarkam21:

-1/2?

zarkam21:

:S

Vocaloid:

yeah you're on the right track so, if we take the exponent down from (x+1)^(1/2) we get (1/2) then we take (x+1)^(1/2), reduce the exponent by 1 to get (x+1)^(-1/2)

Vocaloid:

then we take the derivative of the thing in parentheses, (x+1). the derivative of a constant by itself is 1 (so derivative of x is 1, derivative of p is 1, derivative of triangle is 1, etc.) and the derivative of a constant is 0, so the derivative of x + 1 is 1 + 0 or just 1

Vocaloid:

then putting the three parts of the derivative together: (1/2) * (x+1)^(-1/2) * (1) = your derivative

Vocaloid:

now it doesn't just want the derivative, it wants f'(1) which is the derivative at x = 1, so we'd just plug x = 1 into the derivative (1/2) * (x+1)^(-1/2) * (1) to get the solution

zarkam21:

1/2^3/2

Vocaloid:

be careful with parentheses (1/2) * (x+1)^(-1/2) ---> plugging in x = 1 gives us ---> (1/2) * 2 ^(-1/2) = 1/[2sqrt(2)]

Vocaloid:

basically, a^(-1/2) is equivalent to 1/sqrt(a) since negative exponents can be re-written as positive exponents in the denominator

zarkam21:

got it

zarkam21:

so the answer to f ' = 1/[2sqrt(2)]

Vocaloid:

yeah

zarkam21:

Vocaloid:

to show that a piecewise function is differentiable at a certain point, show that that the function is continuous ---> show that the pieces of the function are equal at that point

zarkam21:

do I use the x values provided so 0?

Vocaloid:

yes so in this case just show that x * sin(1/x) = 0 at x = 0 (which is pretty easy)

zarkam21:

its false when I do x=0

Vocaloid:

well, I guess if you get technical about it, sin(1/x) * x is undefined at 0, but the limit is 0 (it approaches 0 without actually getting there) making the function continuous

Vocaloid:

i'd have to think about b) a bit more but I think it has to do with the LH and RH limits

zarkam21:

Yeha I think it has to do with that too

Vocaloid:

ugh, idk how I would do it algebraically, but I guess you could graph it

zarkam21:

would I graph x sin (1/x)

zarkam21:

would I graph x sin (1/x)

zarkam21:

@@jhonyy9

jhonyy9:

you wan graphing xsin(1/x) ?

zarkam21:

No, I'm asking if thats What I'm supposed to do

zarkam21:

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zarkam21:

This is my problem, I'm on part b

jhonyy9:

Q. 4 - ?

zarkam21:

Yes Part B

zarkam21:

@dude

jhonyy9:

@zarkam21 than yu see the f(x) for x=0 given that f(x) =0 => not is differentiable or not ?

zarkam21:

Yes

jhonyy9:

so this mean that for x=0 => f(x) =0 and you need getting the derivativ of zero - so how ?

jhonyy9:

impossibile - i think is clearly

zarkam21:

Okay so how would I use the definition to show that

jhonyy9:

easy bc. for x=0 => f(x)=0 => have not derivativ => is not differentiable i think in this way

zarkam21:

OKay thanks, do you care if I get a second opinion?

zarkam21:

@Vocaloid when you get a chance can you please look at this

dude:

I mean for this the question tells you that x is undefined when \(x sin(\frac{1}{x})=0\) You cannot find the derivative of an undefined point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

zarkam21:

OKay we can just see what @Vocaloid says, as another opinion because i'm confused myself So @Vocaloid when you get a change

zarkam21:

@Shadow

zarkam21:

Undefined then?

Vocaloid:

x is defined at 0, the function manually defines it to be 0 at x = 0

zarkam21:

SO using the definition of a derivative it would be the same

Vocaloid:

what

zarkam21:

The answer to 4b. USing the definition of the derivative, for x=0 => f(x)=0 => not having a derivative. This is not differentiable

Vocaloid:

that's redundant. "it has no derivative so it's not differentiable" xsin(1/x) oscillates at x = 0 so it is not differentiable

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