math
precalc
@Hero
which problem are you currently working on?
8
I'll have to get back to you on this one.
okay
wait hero, how do you find the arc knowing the central angle in degrees and the radian?
\(s = r\theta\) That's the formula for arc length, if you know the radius and the angle.
k, thats what I thought, thanks. Im gonna see if I can do this again
angle in radians or degrees?
Radians
well we know that 2r + s = 2.1 s is theta (in radians) times radius and we know that .25= (theta/360)((r^2)pi)
if I did that right
and that it is less than 90 degrees or pi/2 radians
Okay, that looks like something we can work with. I mis-read the question at first overlooking the word perimeter.
Hang on a min...
Okay, they give us that theta is in degrees since it is less than 90 degrees so we have to use degrees not radians, sorry.
I only said what I said earlier because I'm used to using radians when applying the arc length formula
okay
I was thinking we could just assume that theta = 90 and whatever value we solve for, it will be less than \(r\)
u mean less than r/2
No, the goal is to find the value of r which is what the question asks for. And whatever value we find for r, the actual r will be less than the value we find. That's what I mean.
oh
well the answer is 0.685078 miles.but we need to explain and show our work
weird. I was getting more like \(r < 0.564\)
But let me get back to you on it. I'll come up with a complete solution to this.
yeah there is for some reason there is a value for r
@dude
Sorry for taking so long. I have the complete solution. I'm typing it up now.
u there?
Yes, I'm typing it on a different document. Give me a few
ok
Okay, I'm done typing up the solution but I still have to add the explanations so that will take another few minutes.
ok
3 more minutes and I'll be done.
Alright. All done.
\(\begin{array}{ r l l } L= & \ \dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & L\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ length\ of\ the\ arc}\\ & & \\ S= & \dfrac{\theta }{360} \pi r^{2} & S\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ area\ of\ the\ sector}\\ & & \\ P= & 2r\ +L & P\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ perimeter\ of\ the\ Wedge}\\ & & \\ 2.1 & =2r\ +\ \dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{In\ the\ perimeter\ equation\ replace} \ P\ \mathrm{with}\\ 2.1\ \mathrm{and} \ L\ \mathrm{with\ its\ expression.\ \ Then\ isolate}\\ \dfrac{\theta }{360} \end{array}\\ & & \\ 2.1-2r & =\dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & Subtract\ 2r\ from\ both\ sides\\ & & \\ \dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} & =\dfrac{\theta }{360} & Divide\ both\ sides\ by\ 2\pi r \end{array}\)
\(\begin{array}{ c l l } S & =\dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} \pi r^{2} & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{Now\ apply\ the\ expression\ for}\\ \mathrm{\dfrac{\theta }{360} \ to\ the} \ S\mathrm{\ equation} \end{array}\\ & & \\ 0.25 & =\dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} \pi r^{2} & \mathrm{The\ value\ of\ } S\mathrm{\ =\ 0.25}\\ & & \\ \dfrac{2\pi r}{4} & =( 2.1-2r) \pi r^{2} & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{convert\ 0.25\ to\ \dfrac{1}{4} .\ Multiply}\\ \mathrm{both\ sides\ by\ 2\pi } r \end{array}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =4( 2.1-2r) \pi r^{2} & \mathrm{Multiply\ both\ sides\ by\ 4}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =4\pi r^{2}( 2.1-2r) & \mathrm{Apply\ the\ associative\ property}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =8.4\pi r^{2} -8\pi r^{3} & \mathrm{Apply\ the\ distributive\ property}\\ & & \\ 8\pi r^{3} -8.4\pi r^{2} +2\pi r & =0 & \mathrm{Rewrite\ as\ a\ quadratic\ equation}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r\left( 4r^{2} -4.2r+1\right) & =0 & \mathrm{Simplify}\\ & & \\ 4r^{2} -4.2r+1 & =0 & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{to\ finish\ you\ apply\ the\ }\\ \mathrm{quadratic\ equation.\ } \end{array} \end{array}\)
is S the area in this case?
The only thing you have left to figure out is why the other value of \(r\) is not correct.
Yes correct
oh ok
one last question: Why is this part of the area, I understand pi(r^2) (2.1−2r)/2πr
why is this part of the area (2.1−2r)/2πr
oh sorry, I didn't see the above section
I thought you might be able to figure it out on your own.
thank you hero
You're welcome
Ill tell you why the other value is not correct when I solve it
hero you have a typo at the 3rd to last step, its suppoosed to be -2pi(r) because you subtract
1. I know why the other value of \(r\) is not correct. 2. My algebra is correct
I left it for you to figure out
but it is supposed to be -8pi(r)^3+8.4(pi)r^2-2pi(r) u wrote something different
If you notice, the expression is equal to zero. If an expression is equal to zero, you can multiply or divide by zero, which flip flops the the signs.
Whenever I deal with quadratic equations, I like to set it up so that the \(a\) value is positive not negative.
oh
It needs to be in the form \(ax^2 + bx + c = 0\) in order to apply the quadratic formula
where \(a > 0\)
yes i understand that now, thx
i figured it out
I made a typo above. You can't divide by zero. You can divide by -1 though.
so when you get your 2 values, you plug them back in (I did in the perimeter eqn and you have to see when theta is below 90
thank you hero
Very good
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