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darkknight:

math

darkknight:

darkknight:

precalc

Razor:

@Hero

Hero:

which problem are you currently working on?

darkknight:

8

Hero:

I'll have to get back to you on this one.

darkknight:

okay

darkknight:

wait hero, how do you find the arc knowing the central angle in degrees and the radian?

Hero:

\(s = r\theta\) That's the formula for arc length, if you know the radius and the angle.

darkknight:

k, thats what I thought, thanks. Im gonna see if I can do this again

darkknight:

angle in radians or degrees?

Hero:

Radians

darkknight:

well we know that 2r + s = 2.1 s is theta (in radians) times radius and we know that .25= (theta/360)((r^2)pi)

darkknight:

if I did that right

darkknight:

and that it is less than 90 degrees or pi/2 radians

Hero:

Okay, that looks like something we can work with. I mis-read the question at first overlooking the word perimeter.

Hero:

Hang on a min...

Hero:

Okay, they give us that theta is in degrees since it is less than 90 degrees so we have to use degrees not radians, sorry.

Hero:

I only said what I said earlier because I'm used to using radians when applying the arc length formula

darkknight:

okay

Hero:

I was thinking we could just assume that theta = 90 and whatever value we solve for, it will be less than \(r\)

darkknight:

u mean less than r/2

Hero:

No, the goal is to find the value of r which is what the question asks for. And whatever value we find for r, the actual r will be less than the value we find. That's what I mean.

darkknight:

oh

darkknight:

well the answer is 0.685078 miles.but we need to explain and show our work

Hero:

weird. I was getting more like \(r < 0.564\)

Hero:

But let me get back to you on it. I'll come up with a complete solution to this.

darkknight:

yeah there is for some reason there is a value for r

darkknight:

@dude

Hero:

Sorry for taking so long. I have the complete solution. I'm typing it up now.

darkknight:

u there?

Hero:

Yes, I'm typing it on a different document. Give me a few

darkknight:

ok

Hero:

Okay, I'm done typing up the solution but I still have to add the explanations so that will take another few minutes.

darkknight:

ok

Hero:

3 more minutes and I'll be done.

Hero:

Alright. All done.

Hero:

\(\begin{array}{ r l l } L= & \ \dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & L\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ length\ of\ the\ arc}\\ & & \\ S= & \dfrac{\theta }{360} \pi r^{2} & S\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ area\ of\ the\ sector}\\ & & \\ P= & 2r\ +L & P\ \mathrm{represents\ the\ perimeter\ of\ the\ Wedge}\\ & & \\ 2.1 & =2r\ +\ \dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{In\ the\ perimeter\ equation\ replace} \ P\ \mathrm{with}\\ 2.1\ \mathrm{and} \ L\ \mathrm{with\ its\ expression.\ \ Then\ isolate}\\ \dfrac{\theta }{360} \end{array}\\ & & \\ 2.1-2r & =\dfrac{\theta }{360} 2\pi r & Subtract\ 2r\ from\ both\ sides\\ & & \\ \dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} & =\dfrac{\theta }{360} & Divide\ both\ sides\ by\ 2\pi r \end{array}\)

Hero:

\(\begin{array}{ c l l } S & =\dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} \pi r^{2} & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{Now\ apply\ the\ expression\ for}\\ \mathrm{\dfrac{\theta }{360} \ to\ the} \ S\mathrm{\ equation} \end{array}\\ & & \\ 0.25 & =\dfrac{( 2.1-2r)}{2\pi r} \pi r^{2} & \mathrm{The\ value\ of\ } S\mathrm{\ =\ 0.25}\\ & & \\ \dfrac{2\pi r}{4} & =( 2.1-2r) \pi r^{2} & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{convert\ 0.25\ to\ \dfrac{1}{4} .\ Multiply}\\ \mathrm{both\ sides\ by\ 2\pi } r \end{array}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =4( 2.1-2r) \pi r^{2} & \mathrm{Multiply\ both\ sides\ by\ 4}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =4\pi r^{2}( 2.1-2r) & \mathrm{Apply\ the\ associative\ property}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r & =8.4\pi r^{2} -8\pi r^{3} & \mathrm{Apply\ the\ distributive\ property}\\ & & \\ 8\pi r^{3} -8.4\pi r^{2} +2\pi r & =0 & \mathrm{Rewrite\ as\ a\ quadratic\ equation}\\ & & \\ 2\pi r\left( 4r^{2} -4.2r+1\right) & =0 & \mathrm{Simplify}\\ & & \\ 4r^{2} -4.2r+1 & =0 & \begin{array}{l} \mathrm{to\ finish\ you\ apply\ the\ }\\ \mathrm{quadratic\ equation.\ } \end{array} \end{array}\)

darkknight:

is S the area in this case?

Hero:

The only thing you have left to figure out is why the other value of \(r\) is not correct.

Hero:

Yes correct

darkknight:

oh ok

darkknight:

one last question: Why is this part of the area, I understand pi(r^2) (2.1−2r)/2πr

darkknight:

why is this part of the area (2.1−2r)/2πr

darkknight:

oh sorry, I didn't see the above section

Hero:

I thought you might be able to figure it out on your own.

darkknight:

thank you hero

Hero:

You're welcome

darkknight:

Ill tell you why the other value is not correct when I solve it

darkknight:

hero you have a typo at the 3rd to last step, its suppoosed to be -2pi(r) because you subtract

Hero:

1. I know why the other value of \(r\) is not correct. 2. My algebra is correct

Hero:

I left it for you to figure out

darkknight:

but it is supposed to be -8pi(r)^3+8.4(pi)r^2-2pi(r) u wrote something different

Hero:

If you notice, the expression is equal to zero. If an expression is equal to zero, you can multiply or divide by zero, which flip flops the the signs.

Hero:

Whenever I deal with quadratic equations, I like to set it up so that the \(a\) value is positive not negative.

darkknight:

oh

Hero:

It needs to be in the form \(ax^2 + bx + c = 0\) in order to apply the quadratic formula

Hero:

where \(a > 0\)

darkknight:

yes i understand that now, thx

darkknight:

i figured it out

Hero:

I made a typo above. You can't divide by zero. You can divide by -1 though.

darkknight:

so when you get your 2 values, you plug them back in (I did in the perimeter eqn and you have to see when theta is below 90

darkknight:

thank you hero

Hero:

Very good

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