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jhonyy9:

- any idea about this please ... ? ,,a mathematical expression in "i" can have real value " ?

jhonyy9:

\[\sqrt{- 1} = i\]

jhonyy9:

or \[i^{2} = - 1 \]

Timmyspu:

Do you want a answer to both of them?

jhonyy9:

both of what ?

Timmyspu:

both or the expressions

jhonyy9:

\[\sqrt{-1} = i \] \[i^{2} = - 1 \] so these i ve wrote to be clarified about what ,,i" i talk ...

Timmyspu:

So what do you know about this?

jhonyy9:

about what ?

jhonyy9:

,,mathematical expression" ? -- look pls on definition of a mathematical expression

jhonyy9:

Definition: Mathematical Expression When we combine numbers and variables in a valid way, using operations such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, exponentiation, and other operations and functions as yet unlearned, the resulting combination of mathematical symbols is called a mathematical expression.

Laylalyssa:

`operations such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, exponentiation` but which one is used for this question

jhonyy9:

this is a general question ?

Laylalyssa:

oh

jhonyy9:

for example : \[\left( e^{i}/(i + 3\right) = x , x \in R\]

jhonyy9:

or something in this way ...

jhonyy9:

so this question i ve got in the past night here where now is 15,17 PM Sunday and i ve get that an expression in ,,i" to have real value in R - what i ve thought till today that not possibile ...

Laylalyssa:

15:17 pm? is that army time or,,,

jhonyy9:

no i live in Central Europe and here this is the actual time

jhonyy9:

ty but no i ve wrote these \[\sqrt{-1} = i \] and \[i^{2} = - 1 \] just to be clarified about what ,,i" i talk

ramen:

Are you just asking if both of those i equations are true?

jhonyy9:

no pls read what i ve wrote above

ramen:

I'm still confused what you are tryna ask...

Laylalyssa:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @stuyou What is ve? \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) it was `I've` but he didnt put the apostrophe I think

jhonyy9:

yes exactly

jhonyy9:

ty @Laylalyssa

Laylalyssa:

oh np

stuyou:

Bw the above two equations that u gave we gotta choose one?

jhonyy9:

no these are just examples about what ,,i" i talk

jhonyy9:

but i ve wrote there an expression in i for example too

jhonyy9:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @jhonyy9 for example : \[\left( e^{i}/(i + 3\right) = x , x \in R\] \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) this ...

jhonyy9:

@Mercury opinion ? pls.

TianaD:

i have no idea sorry

loveboy:

@jhonyy9 I didn't get your point exactly. Do you want to ask why iota brings out to real solution, righr?

Poppibobes:

Oh I get it, he's asking if it's possible to formulate an expression with 'i' where the result is ALWAYS a real number.

Poppibobes:

i^2 is real i^4 is real i^6 is real so how about i^2x where x is an integer? \[i^{2x} = y,y \in R,x \in Z\]

jhonyy9:

not exactly suppose there is an expression for example what i ve wrote above (e^i/(i+3)=x , x∈R so this is possibile ? an expression with ,,i" so to have real root(s) ?

loveboy:

` A mathematical expression in "i" can have real value` Why not ! Try this, \[\large \bf (2+i)(2-i) \in R\]

loveboy:

Moreover, `not every complex number expression leads to a real value` |dw:1609186276490:dw|

jhonyy9:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @loveboy ` A mathematical expression in "i" can have real value` Why not ! Try this, \[\large \bf (2+i)(2-i) \in R\] \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) where is the variable of x ?

loveboy:

\[\large \bf (2+i)(2-i) = x\] Solve for x

loveboy:

Tell me, what you get ?

jhonyy9:

on the left side there is formula a^2 -b^2

loveboy:

Right, go ahead

jhonyy9:

-2i +2i eliminate

jhonyy9:

this is very simple

jhonyy9:

i ve said about expression where i remain there dont eliminate

loveboy:

See, if you consider `i` in an expression, that leads to an imaginary expression and imaginary expression has imaginary roots, therefore, not real.

loveboy:

|dw:1609187183550:dw|

jhonyy9:

for example \[\frac{ 2\ln i }{ i } = x , x \in R\] solve it for x

loveboy:

|dw:1609187304978:dw|

loveboy:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @jhonyy9 for example \[\frac{ 2\ln i }{ i } = x , x \in R\] solve it for x \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) The expression you wrote is an imaginary number, therefore, not any chance has real roots. (illustration in graph above)

jhonyy9:

no i ve said above (2ln i )/i = x can can be real ?

jhonyy9:

\(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @loveboy \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{Originally Posted by}}\) @jhonyy9 for example \[\frac{ 2\ln i }{ i } = x , x \in R\] solve it for x \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) The expression you wrote is an imaginary number, therefore, not any chance has real roots. (illustration in graph above) \(\color{#0cbb34}{\text{End of Quote}}\) yeah i ve thought it the same but i can prove it that exist x be real

loveboy:

Prove it !

jhonyy9:

sorry this is my idea about this so i will include it in my book what i will write in the near future

jhonyy9:

but for you get anything about this proof so you need use the Euler's formula

loveboy:

You're talking about to evaluate to `pi`, right ?

jhonyy9:

not really

loveboy:

Great! Best of luck :)

jhonyy9:

ty

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