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KyledaGreat:

Consider the following relation. x=−4|y|+3 Find four points contained in the inverse. Express your values as an integer or simplified fraction.

KyledaGreat:

@snowflake0531

Tranquility:

What is the inverse function?

Tranquility:

Switch x and y. What do you get?

KyledaGreat:

y=−4|x|+3

KyledaGreat:

There is no inverse

Tranquility:

That is the inverse

Tranquility:

Now find four points that are on that graph

KyledaGreat:

i couldn't find them

Tranquility:

Seems like you're struggling... you can replace x with any number and then solve for y. And you'll then have the y-coordinate for that x-value and thus you have one point. You then repeat the process

Tranquility:

It's really simple. Alternatively, you can just graph it and pick points from that: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/gozrhvd5jk

KyledaGreat:

(0, 3), (1, -1), (2, -5) , (-1, 1)

Tranquility:

the fourth point you listed should be (-1, -1)

KyledaGreat:

(0, 3), (1, -1), (2, -5) , (-1, -1)

KyledaGreat:

is that right in order ?

KyledaGreat:

is that right in order ?

Tranquility:

the order doesn't matter but all those points are valid

KyledaGreat:

ok

KyledaGreat:

Consider the following relation. x= −4|y|+3 Find the domain and range of the inverse. Express your answer in interval notation.

KyledaGreat:

@tranquility

Tranquility:

Look at the graph. What are the possible x-values? What are the possible y-values?

KyledaGreat:

well the previous answer was (0, 3), (1, -1), (2, -5) , (-1, 1)

Tranquility:

can x be 100? can it be 1000?

Tranquility:

can it be -100?

KyledaGreat:

sure

Tranquility:

so then you would say the domain (or the possible x-values for the graph) is from negative infinity to positive infinity

Tranquility:

What about the range? Is there a certain value that the y-coordinate can't be? Look at the graph to find it The range is going to be all numbers (that's less than that number) to negative infinity

KyledaGreat:

5/4

Tranquility:

No

Tranquility:

What is the largest possible y-value

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KyledaGreat:

0,3

Tranquility:

So... what is the maximum y-value of the equation?

KyledaGreat:

x

Tranquility:

that doesn't look like a number to me

Tranquility:

|dw:1637520796380:dw| The y-values are on the y-axis can the y-value ever be 4?

KyledaGreat:

yes

Tranquility:

No.

KyledaGreat:

oh i just checked over, no it couldn't from that row

Tranquility:

So what is the maximum y value?

Tranquility:

What is the range going to be? What are the possible y-values

KyledaGreat:

1 or -1

Tranquility:

... that doesn't seem like a range of possible values for the y-value

Tranquility:

Can the y-value be 5? Can it be 4? Can it be 3? Can it be 2? Can it be 1? Can it be 0? Can it be -100?

KyledaGreat:

it can be 5

Tranquility:

look at the graph again and again

Tranquility:

can the y-value EVER be 5?

KyledaGreat:

oh no

KyledaGreat:

it seems on the graph could be 0 or 2 to me if i'm not mistaken

Tranquility:

the y-value can be ANYTHING less than 3

KyledaGreat:

Or

KyledaGreat:

okay, i could go with 1 instead

Tranquility:

the y-value can be 3 when x is 0 the y-value can be 0 when x is 0.75 or -0.75 the y-value can be -5 when x is 2 or -2

Tranquility:

@kyledagreat wrote:
okay, i could go with 1 instead
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Tranquility:

@tranquility wrote:
the y-value can be ANYTHING less than 3

KyledaGreat:

oh sorry , see i wasn't much good with math and it's been a while so it kind've has to flow back into my memory

Tranquility:

Excuses won't help you learn

KyledaGreat:

I get it

Tranquility:

You watched all three videos in less than 2 minutes?

KyledaGreat:

I meant what you said

KyledaGreat:

ok i seen them

KyledaGreat:

can we go back to the question and finally solve it ?

Tranquility:

I doubt you watched them but sure So what's the answer?

Tranquility:

I've already told you the answers

Tranquility:

Nope

Tranquility:

Is that all the possible y-values? Is that how you write it in interval notation?

KyledaGreat:

So far, that is not all the possible y values has to be defined and No

Tranquility:

Watch the videos first. It'll help you understand the concepts and will help you on the rest of your questions because it's the same concept again and again. I've tried my best explaining it through text but obviously it wasn't good enough. Maybe the video will be easier to understand

KyledaGreat:

I understand a little bit of it now

KyledaGreat:

It demonstrates to find the domain, you would have to find the domain from left to right and the range starts from up and down. Correct ?

KyledaGreat:

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KyledaGreat:

Domain: 3

KyledaGreat:

@tranquility

Tranquility:

@kyledagreat wrote:
It demonstrates to find the domain, you would have to find the domain from left to right and the range starts from up and down. Correct ?
Yes

Tranquility:

@kyledagreat wrote:
Domain: 3
That isn't the graph of the inverse. That's the graph of the original equation The graph for your inverse: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/gozrhvd5jk

KyledaGreat:

oh sorry

KyledaGreat:

ok first , 0 would be the only maximum value

KyledaGreat:

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KyledaGreat:

The domain by the point seems to be : 0, 3 right or wrong

KyledaGreat:

The domain by the point seems to be : 0, 3 right or wrong

Tranquility:

the domain is a range of numbers that can be possible from left to right

Tranquility:

Basically when you look at the graph, it keeps extending downwards you could plug in x = 10000 and you would get a y-value for it you could plug in x = -10000 and you would get a y-value for it

KyledaGreat:

Oh my mistake , i mistaken that from the Range

Tranquility:

since x can be any possible number on the number line, you say that the domain is all real numbers

Tranquility:

Do you know how you would write that in interval notation?

KyledaGreat:

yes i think so , I believe like this \[(\infty, 3)\]

Tranquility:

That is interval notation but not how you would write it Since it can be any number, it's going to be from negative infinity to positive infinity We are not stuck at x being equal to 3 because x can be equal to 4, 5, 6, 7.... any number all the way to infinity so \( (- \infty, \infty)\)

KyledaGreat:

Oh and look , my apologizes for making you frustrated when you tried to explain it to me and showing me the videos . I have gained a little by little insight by the domain and range and now you put it in a way that all by real numbers by the x can be defined in any number,

KyledaGreat:

Now , for the range i almost had off the tip of my tongue but i could be wrong

Tranquility:

No worries! I hope you're learning something :)

Tranquility:

For the range, you want to look from top to bottom As we said, the graph would keep continuing downwards all the way to negative infinity. And it begins at 3 So how would you write in interval notation that the range goes from 3 to negative infinity

Tranquility:

Remember, since the 3 is included we have to use ] instead of ) for that side of the interval notation

KyledaGreat:

\[(-\infty , 3]\]

Tranquility:

Good job!

KyledaGreat:

Alright , thank you sir and i'll still keep learning.

Tranquility:

No problem

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