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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Lokisan! Please help me with more differential equations! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

22xdy+11ydx+3ydy=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Loki! haha I'm back with more questions. :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hehe, I see...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Are you studying exact differential equations?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't think so. I know what the answer is and its not a number. Its the formula of the constant

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you wait a little bit - I'm just finishing another post.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

22xdy+11ydx+ydy=0 is the actual problem, Sorry

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i need paper

OpenStudy (anonymous):

haha alright

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, i don't have her question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Scotty, this looks worse than it is (sorry, I have someone else I'm helping here too).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm hoping so. I think it fits into the trick of d(xy)=dy+ydx am I correct?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hang on...I misread it...I have to work something out. Sorry, I'll just finish with this other person and I won't be distracted.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok so the problem is 22xdy+11ydx+3ydy=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I wish that 22 wasn't there. You sure it's not 11?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Positive :/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know what the answer if, if that helps.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah punch it in

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its \[11xy^2+y^3=C\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, I keep being called away.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's alright..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm thinking a substitution method. Just one sec...again called away...sorry. Won't be forever.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think I may have your method...just let me check properly.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok cool

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I keep being called away! I'll just let you know what I'm thinking and you can play with it as well. Your equation, when rearranged, looks like this\[y'=-\frac{11y}{22x+y}=-\frac{11(\frac{y}{x})}{22+(\frac{y}{x})}\]after dividing the numerator and denominator by x.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is in the form for a type of differential equation that can be solved when we know that y' is some function of y/x; that is,\[y'=F(\frac{y}{x})\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

We make the identification,\[v(x)=\frac{y}{x}\]so that\[y=xv\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and we take it from there. Is this familiar?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok let me try to pmess with it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok instead of that one... can you help me solve y'-9y=8e^x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm doing this one for a timed quiz

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I figured out your other problem - I made an arithmetic error, but the method is correct.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah I'll do the second.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok I think I saw where you were going with it and I gutted my way through it. Thanks

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, integrating factor one - do you know?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Not sure what that means..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y'-9y=8e^x \rightarrow \frac{d (\mu y)}{dx}=\mu 8e^x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\mu = e^{\int\limits_{}{}-9dx}=e^{-9x}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im sorry that should be y"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[e^{-9x}y=e^{-9x}.8e^x+c \rightarrow y=ce^{9x}-e^x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y''-9y=8e^x ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, sorry for the confusion. I miss typed.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right do you just want the answer for the quiz and then the method

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well. I want to learn but first and foremost I really need to pass this quiz

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am writing it all down to try to understand though.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y=c_1e^{3x}+c_2e^{-3x}-e^{x}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll explain...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Are you sure the + isn't a - between the first 2 terms?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You have a second order differential equation which is linear, inhomogeneous (because the RHS is a function of x only) with constant coefficients. You need to solve inhom. equations by 1) solving the equivalent homogeneous equation first 2) finding a particular solution

OpenStudy (anonymous):

+

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In the end, it doesn't matter because it's absorbed into the constant.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The only option I have with a + sign in it is... -2e^3x+e^-3x-e^x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok so e^3x=e^-3x-e^x is the same thing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh, do you have initial conditions?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry when x=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Your equation has it's constants solve for

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh...you need to give me the whole question ;)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Wait.... y=0 and y'=8 and x=0... I'm sorry I've been up all day doing this

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's second order, so there should be 2 conds.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

c_1 = 2 and c_2 = -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y=2e^3x-e^{-3x}-e^x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yep that works!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thanks so much... I really feel low just asking for answers but I plan on taking the class again. If I fail I have to pay the whole tuition and I've been studying so hard and just not getting it lately :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's because you're having to do it on your own - you're not being shown the ropes. Don't punish yourself.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

trying not to. Could you help me with 1 or 2 more? Then I'll leave you alone.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How long do you have to do the quiz?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i panic in tests - you shouldn't have told me, lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

4xydx=(x^2+4)dy and that is the whole problem and not leaving anything out :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's separable.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[4xydx=(x^2+4)dy \rightarrow \frac{4xy}{x^2+4}=\frac{dy}{dx} \rightarrow \frac{4x}{x^2+4}dx=\frac{dy}{y}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You can integrate from there.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok let me try

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y=c(x^2+4)^2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yep thats what I got

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Aesome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or, awesome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok I think this should be the last one... I think I got the others actually.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dy+2ydx=e^(-4x)dx

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's an integrating factor one again.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah those are really difficult for me. Seperatable ones are the ones I'm more comfortable with...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y=-\frac{1}{2}e^{-4x}+ce^{-2x}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm just skipping to the solution because of the test...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The closest answer I have that looks like that is e^(4x)+Ce^(2x)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm...that's the solution to the equation you gave me...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let me write it in the formula so it looks better maybe it looks funny on text

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[dy+2ydx=e^{-4x}dx \rightarrow y'+2y=e^{-4x}\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[dy-2ydx=6e^(5x) dx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that dan 5x is super script

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so you gave me the wrong question before?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im a failure sorry I'm rushing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[y(x) = c_1 e^{2 x}+2 e^{5 x}\]

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