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OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\int\limits e^{(sinx)}sinx dx\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

HEY LOKI

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Evening :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Make a substitution,\[u=\sin x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

du=cos x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, hang on...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

haha i tried..by parts..and substitution..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you're looking for a solution in terms of standard integrals, I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. You either have to write your answer in terms of the Bessel and Struve functions, or take a series solution, where you take the series expansion for sin(x), the expansion for e^(sin(x)) and then take the Cauchy product of the two series, and integrate term-by-term (which you can do since the series is uniformly convergent). Where did this problem come from?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LOL umm someone asked this question yesterday, and i couldn't solve it.So i am asking you, the boss

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Haha, well, boss says that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh dam be humble :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol, I am ;)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LOL sure boss :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, I'm signing out...have a *lot* of work to do ><

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll answer your ferris wheel question later :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You should chillax, it's Friday.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

question!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What is the difference between power and geometric series!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am chillaxing by chit chating with my roomate

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Take your time on the wheel question :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A geometric series is one where there's a constant ratio between each successive terms. A power series is different in that it is not always the case that the ratio between two successive terms is constant. In a geometric series, you'd have to successive terms,\[\frac{a_{n+1}(x-x_0)^{n+1}}{a_n(x-x_0)^n}=\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}(x-x_0)\]which is only constant if a_(n+1) and a_n give some number independent of n. In general, this isn't the case.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you. I will try to do a little bit more research on my ow :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is research :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LOL just go do your work!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah I know...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have Lammy below trying to figure something out. When he/she's done, I'm out... -.-

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Alright i will ask questions later if have any :) Peace~

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hey loki, i have a question, what test should i use to determine the convergence/divergence of the series sin(x/9)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum_{1}^{\infty}\sin(9/x)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't think this converges. Let me check.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm distracted because some moron in my building has been playing the pellettest music I've ever heard, all day, all loud and I'm about to go break down doors ><

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Dude you are the boss, just order your followers to do it for you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol, i wish :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm thinking you can set the problem up as proving it divergent using something like a limit comparison test.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry, had to go talk to the neighbor.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no problem :) i went through every single tests...but none of them worked

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To use the limit comparison, we need a series that is divergent (since we're suspicious this thing won't converge). When I think 'non-convergence', the first series I look to to test against is the harmonic series.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Should I wait for you to finish typing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol what if i am suspicious this thing converge... then i will be in trouble

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Lol, yes, you would be :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Form the ratio\[\frac{1/n}{\sin \frac{9}{n}}\]and note that, in the limit, you get an indeterminate form, \[\frac{0}{0}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This is great, because you now have access to L'Hopital's rule.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So\[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\frac{1/n}{\sin 9/n}=\frac{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}1/n}{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\sin 9/n}=\frac{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}-\frac{1}{n^2}}{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\frac{-9\cos 9/n}{n^2}}=\frac{1}{9}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since cos(9/n) goes to 1 as n goes to infinity.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now, since your ratio was that for a known divergent series with your own series, and because this ratio converged, you know that your series is divergent also.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So at the beginning, you have to guess whether this series diverges or converges?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pretty much...it's okay, since you then turn towards something that can either prove or disprove your case.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A lot of mathematics is experimental.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But you yourself said you had a feeling that it was divergent...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

On that integral before, you'd have to find more than just a couple of series expansions. I over-simplified it. If you ever see something like that in practice (i.e. engineering) you would use an approximation rule, like Simpson's or something.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know it behaves like p-series as n->infinity, so if i had compared it to 1/n^2, it wouldn't follow any of the outcomes for the test?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1/n^2 is convergent, whereas your suspicion is that sin(9/n) is divergent. It wouldn't have helped.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i used the nth term test, and the limit goes to 0, so i thought it should be convergent.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ahhhhh....no....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If you read the statement of the nth term test, it says:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}a_n \ne0 \] or if this limit does not exist as n tends to infinity, then\[\sum_{n}^{\infty}a_n \]does not converge.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The nth term test doesn't say that if your sequence tends to zero, your series converges.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It says if it DOESN'T tend to zero, your series DIVERGES.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Take 1/n for example. The limit is 0 as n goes to infinity, but the series itself does not converge.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yea, so , as a normal college kid, my suspicion would be convergent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

SUSPICION

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Now we come to 'instinct', which is a function of experience. It means you just need practice. You're looking at good questions. Trust your teachers - they'll show you all sorts of things you need to consider.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

LOL what my math professors have taught me the most is HUMOR

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, that *can* help..? :~S

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am stuck at number 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you mean 4?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

3..that answer is wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Does this have to be submitted now?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nope, but soon~~->>>> tomorrow night

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh, okay. I need to go out, that's all. I'll take a look later.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OH alright :) have fun!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Bye..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Did you figure it out?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nope haha you told me to chillax

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Slacker... ;p

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'll look now.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

take your time. just look at it whenever u feel like it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The first one can be 2/361. You have 1/361.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Have you covered asymptotic equivalence?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what is that? might have..not sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

brb

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kay kay

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know that as n-> infin, some terms become negligible

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, basically. The definition is this:

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But how you determine which term is going to infinity faster

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ah, there's an order to it. You can see these orders if you make plots of the corresponding functions. Exponential functions will dominate polynomials at some point. You'll see, I'll write out how I worked out your question.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you please do number 4 also :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{2^n+n^5+2}{19^{2n}+6^n+3} \iff \frac{2^n}{(19^2)^n}\]since in the numerator, the exponential dominates the quintic and 2, and in the denominator, (19^2)^n dominates 6^n+3 (19^2 > 6).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The equivalence sign should be replaced with ~. For some reason it doesn't show up in the equation editor.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

brb

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i thought n^5 is going to infinity faster

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No, if you plot n^5 and 2^n, you'll see 2^n overtake pretty quickly.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But listen, you can always check domination by using the definition. I'll scan in something.

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

You asked for tricks in math - I love asymptotic equivalence when it comes to limits - along with L'Hopital's rule. It saves your butt.

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