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\[\int\limits e^{(sinx)}sinx dx\]
HEY LOKI
Evening :)
Make a substitution,\[u=\sin x\]
du=cos x
Yeah, hang on...
haha i tried..by parts..and substitution..
If you're looking for a solution in terms of standard integrals, I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. You either have to write your answer in terms of the Bessel and Struve functions, or take a series solution, where you take the series expansion for sin(x), the expansion for e^(sin(x)) and then take the Cauchy product of the two series, and integrate term-by-term (which you can do since the series is uniformly convergent). Where did this problem come from?
LOL umm someone asked this question yesterday, and i couldn't solve it.So i am asking you, the boss
Haha, well, boss says that.
oh dam be humble :P
lol, I am ;)
LOL sure boss :P
Well, I'm signing out...have a *lot* of work to do ><
I'll answer your ferris wheel question later :)
You should chillax, it's Friday.
question!!
What is the difference between power and geometric series!
I am chillaxing by chit chating with my roomate
Take your time on the wheel question :)
A geometric series is one where there's a constant ratio between each successive terms. A power series is different in that it is not always the case that the ratio between two successive terms is constant. In a geometric series, you'd have to successive terms,\[\frac{a_{n+1}(x-x_0)^{n+1}}{a_n(x-x_0)^n}=\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}(x-x_0)\]which is only constant if a_(n+1) and a_n give some number independent of n. In general, this isn't the case.
Thank you. I will try to do a little bit more research on my ow :)
This is research :)
LOL just go do your work!
Yeah I know...
I have Lammy below trying to figure something out. When he/she's done, I'm out... -.-
Alright i will ask questions later if have any :) Peace~
Hey loki, i have a question, what test should i use to determine the convergence/divergence of the series sin(x/9)
\[\sum_{1}^{\infty}\sin(9/x)\]
I don't think this converges. Let me check.
ok
I'm distracted because some moron in my building has been playing the pellettest music I've ever heard, all day, all loud and I'm about to go break down doors ><
Dude you are the boss, just order your followers to do it for you
lol, i wish :(
I'm thinking you can set the problem up as proving it divergent using something like a limit comparison test.
Sorry, had to go talk to the neighbor.
no problem :) i went through every single tests...but none of them worked
To use the limit comparison, we need a series that is divergent (since we're suspicious this thing won't converge). When I think 'non-convergence', the first series I look to to test against is the harmonic series.
Should I wait for you to finish typing?
lol what if i am suspicious this thing converge... then i will be in trouble
Lol, yes, you would be :D
Form the ratio\[\frac{1/n}{\sin \frac{9}{n}}\]and note that, in the limit, you get an indeterminate form, \[\frac{0}{0}\]
This is great, because you now have access to L'Hopital's rule.
So\[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\frac{1/n}{\sin 9/n}=\frac{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}1/n}{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\sin 9/n}=\frac{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}-\frac{1}{n^2}}{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\frac{-9\cos 9/n}{n^2}}=\frac{1}{9}\]
since cos(9/n) goes to 1 as n goes to infinity.
Now, since your ratio was that for a known divergent series with your own series, and because this ratio converged, you know that your series is divergent also.
So at the beginning, you have to guess whether this series diverges or converges?
Pretty much...it's okay, since you then turn towards something that can either prove or disprove your case.
A lot of mathematics is experimental.
But you yourself said you had a feeling that it was divergent...
On that integral before, you'd have to find more than just a couple of series expansions. I over-simplified it. If you ever see something like that in practice (i.e. engineering) you would use an approximation rule, like Simpson's or something.
I know it behaves like p-series as n->infinity, so if i had compared it to 1/n^2, it wouldn't follow any of the outcomes for the test?
1/n^2 is convergent, whereas your suspicion is that sin(9/n) is divergent. It wouldn't have helped.
i used the nth term test, and the limit goes to 0, so i thought it should be convergent.
Ahhhhh....no....
If you read the statement of the nth term test, it says:
If \[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}a_n \ne0 \] or if this limit does not exist as n tends to infinity, then\[\sum_{n}^{\infty}a_n \]does not converge.
The nth term test doesn't say that if your sequence tends to zero, your series converges.
It says if it DOESN'T tend to zero, your series DIVERGES.
Take 1/n for example. The limit is 0 as n goes to infinity, but the series itself does not converge.
yea, so , as a normal college kid, my suspicion would be convergent
SUSPICION
Now we come to 'instinct', which is a function of experience. It means you just need practice. You're looking at good questions. Trust your teachers - they'll show you all sorts of things you need to consider.
LOL what my math professors have taught me the most is HUMOR
Well, that *can* help..? :~S
i am stuck at number 3
you mean 4?
3..that answer is wrong
Does this have to be submitted now?
Nope, but soon~~->>>> tomorrow night
Oh, okay. I need to go out, that's all. I'll take a look later.
OH alright :) have fun!
Bye..
Did you figure it out?
Nope haha you told me to chillax
Slacker... ;p
I'll look now.
take your time. just look at it whenever u feel like it
The first one can be 2/361. You have 1/361.
Have you covered asymptotic equivalence?
what is that? might have..not sure
brb
kay kay
I know that as n-> infin, some terms become negligible
Yeah, basically. The definition is this:
But how you determine which term is going to infinity faster
Ah, there's an order to it. You can see these orders if you make plots of the corresponding functions. Exponential functions will dominate polynomials at some point. You'll see, I'll write out how I worked out your question.
can you please do number 4 also :P
\[\frac{2^n+n^5+2}{19^{2n}+6^n+3} \iff \frac{2^n}{(19^2)^n}\]since in the numerator, the exponential dominates the quintic and 2, and in the denominator, (19^2)^n dominates 6^n+3 (19^2 > 6).
The equivalence sign should be replaced with ~. For some reason it doesn't show up in the equation editor.
brb
i thought n^5 is going to infinity faster
No, if you plot n^5 and 2^n, you'll see 2^n overtake pretty quickly.
But listen, you can always check domination by using the definition. I'll scan in something.
You asked for tricks in math - I love asymptotic equivalence when it comes to limits - along with L'Hopital's rule. It saves your butt.
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