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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Someone who is good with proofs please talk to me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am not good, but I will try the best I can.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok I will upload the problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which problem?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1, 2, and 3 they are extra credit

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Couldn't you just pick an a=-9 and see if square root of -9^2 is the same as |-9| ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

R means any number, so try to pick numbers that you think would make it bad, and if they are good..use that as proof.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But if you are looking for book definition type proofs you got me.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think that when it says show that it wants you to pick numbers from the real set and try to make it false. Is that your understanding too?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well.. I think I got the solution of the first problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if it involves differentail equations, im outta here :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i thought your suppose to prove what he asks for

OpenStudy (anonymous):

proof is a relative term.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

proof to a college teacher and proof to a 6 year old are not going to be the same.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I think anny is doing a differential equation up there :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since a^2=(+a)^2=(-a)^2, the numbers a, -a are square roots of a^2.. that's: \[a \ge0 \implies \sqrt{ a^2}=a\] \[a<0 \implies \sqrt {a^2}=-a\] which is the same as the definition of the absolute value, so \[\sqrt {a^2}=\left| a \right|\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you know the definition of the absolute value. right?.. does that make sense then?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we can use what's this theorem we just proved to prove the next problem.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

we want to prove that: \[\left| ab \right|=\left| a \right|.\left| b \right|\] but we just proved that: \[\left| ab \right|=\sqrt {(ab)^2}\] we can now proceed, \[\sqrt {(ab)^2}=\sqrt {a^2b^2}=\sqrt {a^2} . \sqrt{b^2}=\left| a \right|.\left| b \right|\] that's it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dunno if that makes any sense to you, but that's what I have anyway. I wish you get some points for that :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where did you get the \[\sqrt{ab ^2{?}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, me too thank you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's the first theorem we proved, but instead of a, we have ab.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but how does it become ab^2 when its just IabI= IaI IbI

OpenStudy (anonymous):

From part one you showed that \[|x| = \sqrt{x^2}\] Let x = ab and you have it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what about # 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the third one is easy.. I will give you a hint

OpenStudy (anonymous):

good I wanna try

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the following is known: \[a \le \left| a \right|, b \le \left| b \right|\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Just have to go through the combinations\(a\ge 0, a \lt 0, b \ge 0, b \lt 0\) I'm not sure you can assume that \(x \le |x|\) otherwise you'd just let x = ab and you've already got it. I think you have to show that \(x \le |x|\) using the definition of the absolute value.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

^^ I totally agree

OpenStudy (anonymous):

though it's easy to prove that using the definition of the absolute value.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what topic is this, thats how lost I am in my calculus class :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, if a \(\ge\)0 then what is |a| ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hey lisaj you have to go back and see the definition of the absolute value.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

all proofs will make no sense to you if you are not aware of the definition.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ polpak: IaI is idk i dont get it

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if a is 5 what is lal?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the absolute value is 5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

good. what if a=-5, then its absolute value is?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So if a is less than 0, |a| = -a. If a is greater than (or equal to) 0, |a| = a

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so you can see now that |a| is always greater than or equal to a?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so # 3 would be : ab\[ab \le \ \-a |-b\|]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes anny

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ab < or equal to I-aII-bI

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[x \ge 0 \implies |x| =x \implies |x|\ge x\] \[x \lt 0 \implies |x| = -x \implies |x| \ge x\] \[\implies |x| \ge x \text{,}\forall x \in R\] Let ab be a product of real numbers \[\implies ab \in R \implies |ab| \ge ab \implies ?\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\left| ab \right|\ \ge \left| -a \right|\left| -b \right|\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well sure, but |a| = |-a|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is what i did the correct answer?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You are trying to show that \(ab\le |a||b|\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so then it would be |−a||−b|≤ab

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