i have a weird question maybe someone can help.... q^2+1...how do u factor?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
you cannot with real numbers
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That's true..
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so does that mean its prime?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(q-1)(q-1)\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that is not correct
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
No, if you are to solve for q, you have \[\sqrt{-1}=\sqrt{i}\]
This requires that you are familiar with complex numbers.
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but then the middle would be -2q
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(q+1)(q+1)\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
then be +2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i mean +2q
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myininaya (myininaya):
does (q-i)(q+i) work
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no cause then it would be -1 myininaya
myininaya (myininaya):
q^2+iq-iq-i^2
q^2+0-(-1)
q^2+1
yes it works ! :)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but its q^2+1
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
listen
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i=sqrt(-1)
myininaya (myininaya):
q^2+1=(q-i)(q+i)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
that is called a complex number
OpenStudy (anonymous):
has a lot of interesting bits
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
-1*+1 is still -1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
myininaya (myininaya):
(q-i)(q+i)=q^2-qi+qi-i^2
agreed?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
-i*i=-i^2=-(-1)=1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
its not i its 1(one)
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myininaya (myininaya):
q^2+0-(-1)
q^2+1
myininaya (myininaya):
i^2=-1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(q+1)(q+1) = q ^{2}+1^{2}\]
myininaya (myininaya):
lol this is correct to say q^2+1=(q-i)(q+i)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
NOOOOO it is not
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
either im super stupid or im just not comprehending how that works
myininaya (myininaya):
shark thats wrong
(q+1)(q+1)=q^2+2q+1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sharkattack you still get q^2 2q+1 as the answer
OpenStudy (anonymous):
As I said: you cannot with real numbers! (you need to introduce complex numbers with i to solve it)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so andras does that mean its prime?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(X+Y)(X+Y) = X ^{2} + Y ^{2}\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no it does not
myininaya (myininaya):
ok Bmartin i^2=-1
(q-i)(q+i)=q^2+qi-qi-i^2
=q^2-(-1)
=q^2+1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
for example 3^2+1=10
myininaya (myininaya):
bmartin do you see the negative in front of the i^2?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
not prime
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so -1*+1 =+1?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i dont believe that
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sorry but I'm right
myininaya (myininaya):
-(-1)=1
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myininaya (myininaya):
i^2=-1
not 1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
myiniaya you are just confusing them with complex numbers
myininaya (myininaya):
you can factor over complex numbers
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Sharkattack is right!!! Lets vote him for president!!!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
lol
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:-)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so the answer is (q+1)(q-1)?
i just really dont see how that works....
myininaya (myininaya):
no!
it is (q-i)(q+i)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no there is no answer
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
why does it make a difference where the signs go?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
OpenStudy (anonymous):
with normal (real) numbers there is no answer
OpenStudy (anonymous):
oooooooooooooh im soooooo confused
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I can imagine, what is not clear?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(X+Y)(X+Y) =X ^{2} +Y ^{2}\]
myininaya (myininaya):
lol
(q-i)(q+i)=q^2-qi+qi-i^2=q^2-(-1)=q^2+1
how is not one seeing this except me
i dont want to be on a debate team
accept my answer or not
you can either say not factorable over the real numbers or you can say the answer is
(q-i)(q+i)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
shark it is not: it is x^2+2xy+y^2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
\[(q+1)(q+1) =q ^{2} +1^{2} =q ^{2} +1\]
OpenStudy (anonymous):
i just keep seeing that answer as q^2-1 myininaya
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
myininaya you are right but if someone never learnt about complex numbers than you cannot explain them in 2 min
myininaya (myininaya):
i^2=-1
-i^2=1
OpenStudy (anonymous):
they have the same base
myininaya (myininaya):
do you know the bmartin that -i^2=1?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
sharck when you expand a bracket you have to multiply every term with every term so (x+1)(x+1)=x^2+x+x+1
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
mmmmm....
myininaya (myininaya):
bmartin, do you know that -i^2=1?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
myininaya (myininaya):
do you about imaginary numberts>
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i'm right in my law
myininaya (myininaya):
ok the sum of two real squares is not factorable over the reals
OpenStudy (anonymous):
wait
OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
myininaya (myininaya):
if you knew of imaginary numbers then we could factor it
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
factorize x^2 +1
X^2+2xy+Y^2
OpenStudy (anonymous):
hopefully i get to that chapter soon
myininaya (myininaya):
lol sorry andras i thought they were talking about imagary numbers so i just figured they knew lol
OpenStudy (anonymous):
no prob
OpenStudy (anonymous):
well thanks everyone!
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
this took longer than I thaught
OpenStudy (anonymous):
but
myininaya (myininaya):
by the way sean the square root of -1 is i
not the square root of i
OpenStudy (anonymous):
yeah, true :-)
OpenStudy (anonymous):
I'm right
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
lol
myininaya (myininaya):
shark is so cute
OpenStudy (anonymous):
you are as always, go for politician you would do great
OpenStudy (anonymous):
so persistant...you shoud be a lawyer
myininaya (myininaya):
i felt as i was debating against someone such tough debater
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
i bet he was on the debate team!
OpenStudy (anonymous):
can we convince you shark that you are wrong?
myininaya (myininaya):
what about if we
9^2+1
is this equal to
9^2+9(1)+1^2