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OpenStudy (anonymous):
kk then, what is deriative??
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
study of how a function change, or tangent line
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
derivative is what is used to describe how one thing changes with respect to another
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmmm.
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
It is like a slope
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
in the equation: y = 3x+2, the rate at which y changes with respect to x is '3'
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
for every change in 'x', 'y' changes by 3
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmm then u mean 2y=3x+3+2 ??
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
not quite
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
or 2y=6x+2?? (the 2 is const in this equetion?
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
if you multiply the left by 2 the rights gotta be multiplied by 2 as well
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
thats more of a scaling notion
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the derivative has to do with the change in y with respect to x when there is 'no' change in x
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmmm
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\lim_{h -> 0}\frac{(f(x+h)-f(x)}{(x+h)-(x)}\]
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the derivative of: 3x+2 is then
(3(x+h)+2) - (3x+2)
----------------- ; when h=0
x+h-x
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
3x+3h+2 -3x-2
-------------- ; when h=0
h
3h
--- ; when h=0
h
3 ; when h=0
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmmm
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
so the rate of change of a linear function is just the slope of the line
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmmm
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the rate of change at any given point of a quadratic function is the slope of the line at a given point that is defined as the lim{h ->0} (f(x+h)-f(x)//h)
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
x^2+x-3 ; how fast is y changing when x = 4?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
can you answer it? i think i can'T do it yet
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\lim_{h -> 0}\frac{ [(x+h)^2 +(x+h)-3]-[x^2+x-3]}{x+h-x}\]
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\lim{x^2+h^2 +2xh +x+h-3-x^2-x-3 \over h}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
okay give me a min
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
getting my pencil and notebook
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
that last 3 shoud be +3
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
kk
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
h^2 + 2xh + h / h
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[(x^2-x^2)+(x-x)+(-3+3)+(2xh+h) \over h\]
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
yes, i missed the ^2 on the h; you are roght
14 years ago
OpenStudy (anonymous):
:D
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\left({h^2\over h}+{2xh\over h}\right)\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
now we give x 3??
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
when x=4 :)
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
and I think we dropped an h someplace in the writing
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ahh missed 4 xd
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes why don'T we do it one a more simple func??
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\lim_{h ->0}({2xh\over h}+{h\over h}+{h^2\over h})\]
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the simple function was the linear lol
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
now when h=0 we get the equation of the derivative:
2x+1
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
at x=4; y is changing at a rate of 9 with respect to each x
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the quick way after being taught all the limit definitions and the long way; is to use the power rule:
x^2 +x -3 -> 2x +1
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmm ^^ so that can we use this for another thing?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
with another func i mean
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
(don't got the power rule can you explain?)
14 years ago
OpenStudy (amistre64):
yes; the derivative of position tells you velocity at a given point; the derivative of velocity tells you the acceleration at any given point
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the power rule is just the 'pattern' that occurs from doing derivatives the long way..
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
oO
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[Cx^n \implies C*nx^{n-1} \]
\[5x^3 \implies 5*3x^{3-1} \iff 15x^2\]
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
which way would you do derivatives? the limit way or the power rule?
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
\[\begin{array}c 5x^4&+x^2&-4x^0\\20x^3&+2x&+0\end{array}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hmm
i think limit way
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
ok; do that the limit way...
\[\frac{[5(x+k)^4+(x+h)^2-4]-[5x^4+x^2-4]}{h}\]
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
which equetion we doing??
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
f(x) = \(5x^4 +x^2 -4\) the limit way
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
except for it should say 5(x+h)^4 lol
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the power rule is quicker, easier, and just as precise
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok :=)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
then do it in power rule ^^ if its that trustworthy
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
the power rule is the 'patter' that you discover after doing about a thousand limit ways
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
it was Cx^n = C x nx^n-1
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
yes
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
then for 5(x+4)^4 its >>>> 5 x 4(x)^3 ???
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
hey you there?
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
ok.... you trying to use the x+h in that?
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
no i tried to use power rule that i did C.nx^n-1
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
5x^4 ; try it on that one ...
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
oka wait
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
5 x 4(x)^3
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
5 . 4.x^3
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
true?
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
true; now put it all together; 20x^3
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yess i got it??
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
you did; the power rule takes a complicated form and reduces it to simple math
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
yes its really usefull :) to you, am i good at maths?
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
you can be good at maths if you wanna be :)
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
:) really want to be ^^ i want to learn highschool units before i go to hichschool ^^
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
really thanks amistre :)
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
youre welcome :) keep up the practics
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
normally just searching questions on Hz. google xd
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OpenStudy (amistre64):
some good free practice can be had at interactmath.com
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OpenStudy (anonymous):
ok ty
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