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OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk then, what is deriative??

OpenStudy (anonymous):

study of how a function change, or tangent line

OpenStudy (amistre64):

derivative is what is used to describe how one thing changes with respect to another

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is like a slope

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in the equation: y = 3x+2, the rate at which y changes with respect to x is '3'

OpenStudy (amistre64):

for every change in 'x', 'y' changes by 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm then u mean 2y=3x+3+2 ??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

not quite

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or 2y=6x+2?? (the 2 is const in this equetion?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if you multiply the left by 2 the rights gotta be multiplied by 2 as well

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats more of a scaling notion

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the derivative has to do with the change in y with respect to x when there is 'no' change in x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h -> 0}\frac{(f(x+h)-f(x)}{(x+h)-(x)}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the derivative of: 3x+2 is then (3(x+h)+2) - (3x+2) ----------------- ; when h=0 x+h-x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

3x+3h+2 -3x-2 -------------- ; when h=0 h 3h --- ; when h=0 h 3 ; when h=0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm

OpenStudy (amistre64):

so the rate of change of a linear function is just the slope of the line

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmm

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the rate of change at any given point of a quadratic function is the slope of the line at a given point that is defined as the lim{h ->0} (f(x+h)-f(x)//h)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

x^2+x-3 ; how fast is y changing when x = 4?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you answer it? i think i can'T do it yet

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h -> 0}\frac{ [(x+h)^2 +(x+h)-3]-[x^2+x-3]}{x+h-x}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim{x^2+h^2 +2xh +x+h-3-x^2-x-3 \over h}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay give me a min

OpenStudy (anonymous):

getting my pencil and notebook

OpenStudy (amistre64):

that last 3 shoud be +3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

kk

OpenStudy (anonymous):

h^2 + 2xh + h / h

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(x^2-x^2)+(x-x)+(-3+3)+(2xh+h) \over h\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, i missed the ^2 on the h; you are roght

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:D

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\left({h^2\over h}+{2xh\over h}\right)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now we give x 3??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

when x=4 :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and I think we dropped an h someplace in the writing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ahh missed 4 xd

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes why don'T we do it one a more simple func??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h ->0}({2xh\over h}+{h\over h}+{h^2\over h})\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the simple function was the linear lol

OpenStudy (amistre64):

now when h=0 we get the equation of the derivative: 2x+1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

at x=4; y is changing at a rate of 9 with respect to each x

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the quick way after being taught all the limit definitions and the long way; is to use the power rule: x^2 +x -3 -> 2x +1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm ^^ so that can we use this for another thing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

with another func i mean

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(don't got the power rule can you explain?)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes; the derivative of position tells you velocity at a given point; the derivative of velocity tells you the acceleration at any given point

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the power rule is just the 'pattern' that occurs from doing derivatives the long way..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oO

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[Cx^n \implies C*nx^{n-1} \] \[5x^3 \implies 5*3x^{3-1} \iff 15x^2\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

which way would you do derivatives? the limit way or the power rule?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\begin{array}c 5x^4&+x^2&-4x^0\\20x^3&+2x&+0\end{array}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm i think limit way

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ok; do that the limit way... \[\frac{[5(x+k)^4+(x+h)^2-4]-[5x^4+x^2-4]}{h}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which equetion we doing??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

f(x) = \(5x^4 +x^2 -4\) the limit way

OpenStudy (amistre64):

except for it should say 5(x+h)^4 lol

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the power rule is quicker, easier, and just as precise

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok :=)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then do it in power rule ^^ if its that trustworthy

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the power rule is the 'patter' that you discover after doing about a thousand limit ways

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it was Cx^n = C x nx^n-1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then for 5(x+4)^4 its >>>> 5 x 4(x)^3 ???

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hey you there?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ok.... you trying to use the x+h in that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no i tried to use power rule that i did C.nx^n-1

OpenStudy (amistre64):

5x^4 ; try it on that one ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oka wait

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5 x 4(x)^3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5 . 4.x^3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

true; now put it all together; 20x^3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yess i got it??

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you did; the power rule takes a complicated form and reduces it to simple math

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes its really usefull :) to you, am i good at maths?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you can be good at maths if you wanna be :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

:) really want to be ^^ i want to learn highschool units before i go to hichschool ^^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

really thanks amistre :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youre welcome :) keep up the practics

OpenStudy (anonymous):

normally just searching questions on Hz. google xd

OpenStudy (amistre64):

some good free practice can be had at interactmath.com

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok ty

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