In triangle ABC, O is a point on BC. Show that a straight line can be drawn parallel to AO that divides triangle ABC into 2 equal halves.
Is this the complete question??? Pls reconfirm this is the exact wording...
yes..its complete..
ok understood, Now tell me whether a proof is to be given or should I give you the logic ??
anyone is great....u can xplain the logic...and give me the proof if u want (or if i dont understand) :)
ok, give me some time to think and get an answer......
ok..:)
sorry friend, i tried but nothing worthwhile occurred to me right now. Will keep thinking on this and if i come up with a solution, will post it here....
can u tell me on which chapter is this based - mensuration similar triangles or ???
i cant say..this problem came in my exam...
given that the measure of the triangle (area or perimeter) is bounded; then any increase in one portion has an equal decrease in the other up to the point were both sides reach an equilibrium.
it feels like more of a 'mean value theorum' then an actual way of determing specific values
is that a kind of proof or an intuitive thought :) lol :P
:) intuitive thought, i gots no way of proofing it .... If the area of a Triangle is A; and we divide it into 2 unequal sections by a straight line (SL); then A = aSL^(-) + aSL^(+), where aSL^(-) denotes to the area left, and aSL^(+) denotes the area to the right.
ya...
the 'Rolles' thrm of triangular equality :)
but u are not given that area,perimeter is bounded...
the given problem is weird...i dont think geometry will be of help here :P
how can you have a triangle what is unbounded? do we have to redefine all the words we use or is there a threshold point at which the language can simply mean what it says?
the drawing says more than what is stated in the problem. As the drawing shows the line drawn as a perpendicular to one side. In the statement it seems that the point can be at any location on the line BC.
a given triangle ABC, no matter what is perimeter and area; remains constant for the triangle once defined
oops..mistake sorry..i didnt see ur meaning...i thought u were fixing the value of area and perimeter for all triangles.... :)
:) well, any triangle will do; just once you pick one ... keep it :)
yah...amistre that problem is "physically" conceivable...but i need a proof and i dont get any idea for a week! :)
@radar:O is any point on BC and AO may not be perpendicular to BC.
Then I don't believe the the statement. I think it is false. I have used various points and drew many lines parallel and they all do not for two equal (area wise) triangles!
for is form
there will be one out of many lines which are parallel to AO that divides the triangle in 2 equal halves
Then prove it.
thats the problem...i cant find a way to prove it...(i think the problem is correct. The real story behind this problem is that it appeared in my exam in which the question papers are taken..So this problem is what the students recall....it may be wrong...but I dont think so..)...
"In triangle ABC, O is a point on BC. Show that a straight line can be drawn parallel to AO that divides triangle ABC into 2 equal halves. " There is no stipulation for the location of O
yup..thats what the problem was..O may be any point on BC...
So as I understand that one of the infinite possible parallel lines will divide the triangle into two equal halves but not two triangles???
yes...not necessarily atriangle..may be a quadrilateral+triangle...
similar to what you've shown in the diagram. Now I am beginning to believe the statement, but do not have a clue to prove it. I am in the same shape you're in. Sorry but I can't help you.
thnx for ur time, radar:)
I can see that if I could slide a parallel to AO line across that figure, at some point the area above and below that line would be equal. But can not prove it mathematically.
what if we make a construction:Join O with the point of intersection of the line (parallel to AO and which divides into 2 halves) with AB in the figure. U break the quadrilateral into triangles then...any ideas now?
No, maybe if there was a stipulation that AO is perpendicular to BC, but gosh O could be placed up near B or down near C. It looks like what amistre was saying that a triangle can be divided in two equal halves by moving a line across the surface until it reaches the "sweet spot" It now seems obvious, but the proof is subliminal
its good we "feel" the problem...but the bad thing is i cant find a proof. If I had a proof, what would it have: congruency? similarity? ceva's theorem? trigonometry?.....all approaches seem to fail ...
I don't feel the two equal area shapes would be congruent. Unequal angles etc.
if we ignore the shape and simply view the 'area' that the shape defines; then it is intuitive that at some given division, the amount of area will be in 2 equal halves :)
try to 'disprove' it :) ... forgot the name they use for that method
@amistre..ur statement does not say anything about AO and a lines parallel to it...... do u mean "contradiction"?
yes, proof by contradiction .....
this seems completely obvious. but just because something is obvious doesn't mean you cannot prove it.
OK...see this Suppose a line not parallel to AO divides ABC into 2 halves. Then we can find a point O' on BC such that AO' is parallel to our line. But we can rename O' as O since O can be any point on BC. Thus proved. I dont know if this is a rigid proof...please comment if u see any "loopholes" in this..:)
Supoose a no line parallel to A0 divides in in half
@amistre: See my post....
the area on one side of the line will always be able to be defined in the shape of a triangle; at what point does the parallel line create half the area of the whole ?
i got no idea if your proof is valid, trying to write a proof is not something im good at :)
there are similar triangle proofs right? any line parallel to A0 makes a similar triangle at some intersection and the area of that new triangle is smaller than the whole of ABC; at what point is it half?
by similar i mean the triangle defined by AOB or AOC
no they may not be similar...
any dividing line that is parallel to AO at some point creates a similar triangle
The area of the similar triangle at some point is a division of the area of the whole triangle; therefore the similar triangle at some given point will be half of the whole.
If you can determine how to find the area of triABC; then you can determine how to find the area of one of the similar triangles created by a parallel line and measure it to determine if its area is half of triABC
what is it; Hoteps formula for the area of a triangle by using the perimeter?
heron's formula .:) (u r not well with geometry..i see..but ur ideas r good! :) )
not to jump in so late, but if you call the distance between O and O' say "x" is it not possible to find the area of the bottom triangle plus the piece A O x whatever on the other side? this will be a function continuous in x and it will be less than 1/2 the area of the triangle if x = 0 and the entire are of the triangle of x = OB and therefor must at some point be half the area of the triangle.
:)
i will see if i can find a nice formula for that area, but it will certainly be continuous that is for sure.
@amistre,satellite73: Draw a parallel line to AO through C, and slide this line up towards B. Let f(t) be the area below this line over time. This function is continuous. f(0)=0, and when this line reaches B at time x, f(x)=area(ABC) . Therefore, by the Intermediate-Value Theorem there exists some time t between 0 and x such that f(t)=(area(ABC))/2. Well this proof assumes that u r given the line parallel to AO and need to proof that it divides ABC int 2 halves.Is this what the question says. Or does it say the other way round?
.... i got know idea if that is correct or not :) srry
how do we know that the direction from O to B is the proper direction? if we split the area by AO and head in the smaller direction, we will never find a point.
i think i see your counting for that; yes, from point C to B sweeps the Area
maybe start at the point O and create 2 lines that sweep, one towards C and the other towards B .....
this would account for any notion that the shape of the area being defined for a quadralateral as opposed to a triangle
Create the line AO so that it IS AC and sweep it out maybe?
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