how do i find the roots of x^6-1 and x^12-1and then plot them on a complex plane?
sixth roots of one are ok. just find one of them. \[x^6=1\] \[x=1\] then divide the unit circle up into 6 equal parts
a picture is the easiest way. you will get 1, -1, \[\frac{1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i\]
the conjugate \[\frac{1}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i\]
also \[-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i\]
and its conjugate
Okay, how did you get 1/2−3√/2i ? That seems to be where i am lost. Also, how do i split the unit circle into six compared to 4 or 8 sections of the unit circle
ok are you working in degrees or radians? doesn't matter just let me k now
u split a unit circle into 6 arcs of equal length
We are doing both but I would like to first work with degrees. It is easier for me to undertstand
see algebraically \[x^{6} = 1 = e^{i2k \pi}\]
ok then you know that the circle has 360 degrees. divide this by 6 to get 60 degrees
so \[x = e^{ik \pi/3}\]
yeah satellites right
so as you go around the circle you will go in multiples of 60 degrees:\0,60,120,180,240,300
since you are on the unit circle the first coordinate will be cosine and the second coordinate will be sine
cant we just do it algebraically and plot the points?
i should be more accurate and say "the real part will be cosine and the imaginary part will be sine"
@him yes of course but this is so easy if you have a picture of the unit circle in front of you. just divide into 6 parts and look at them
bt then the algebra will give her a better idea of why were plotting the points
I have the unit circle. How do i find cosine and sine
see dizliz do u know how to plot e^(it)
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look at the circle on the last page. the first coordinate is cosine and the second coordinate is sine
This is fairly straightforward in polar form....
first try to understand whether she knows wht the polar form means and how to plot a complex no
so, for example, at 60 degrees you see the point \[(\frac{1}{2},\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2})\]
thinking of this as a point on the unit circle in the complex plane, the real part is \[\frac{1}{2}\] and the imaginary part is \[\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\]
\[as\ e^{i \pi/3} = \cos(\pi/3) + isin(\pi/3)\]
so if you look at the cheat sheet i sent, you will see at all the multiples of 60 degrees the coordinates of the point. those are your answers. do you see where i mean?
so the real part is cos (pi/3) and ther imaginary part is sin(pi/3)
@him, no. @satellite I understand what you are saying about imaginary and real but not exactly sure where those numbers come from. Is there a formula?
wht do u mean no? @dizliz @sat: i told u weve gotta explain
see well show u do u agree \[1 = e^{i2k \pi}\]?
where k is an integer
are you asking where the numbers \[\frac{1}{2}\] amd \[\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\]come from?
yes
lets explain satellite
I know that a squared + b squared = y squared. Not sure if that helps any
yes and i this case y = 1 since you are on the unit circle
so you know that \[a^2+b^2=1\]
yes that much I know
as to where these particular coordinates come from, we can find them from scratch if you like. but i am presuming that before you were asked to find the 6th roots of 1 you had some trig yes?
otherwise it is an unfair question. you should be familiar with basic trig before being asked to find roots of 1 in the complex plain
i agree
need to know the euler form and polar form
Right now I am taking a summer course. I feel like all i do is take notes and he is s o unorganized so it is really hard to read his notes. I am taking precal 2 and this is the first I have ever seen any of this
ok so lets start from scratch
do we get into it satelite?
he gave us euler's formula but with no explanation on how to use it or what it means
there are certain basic numbers (angles) for which you should know the values of sine and cosine
and in fact rather than derive these numbers which usually come from "reference triangles" let me ask you if by looking at the cheat sheet i sent, can you find \[\sin(120)\]?
Assuming a knowledge of polar form (which is not hard to pick up if you have trig). Take z = 3 For z^3 = 1, there are 3 roots of unity. Represent z by <r, theta) and 1 by <1,0> so z^3 = <r^3, 3*theta> = <1,0> Taking the parts r^3 = 1 and 3*theta = 2m pi for some integer m. So z = < 1, 2m pi/3 > and you find the 3 roots with m = 1,2,3. To convert to Cartesian form <1, 2m pi/3> = cos ( 2m pi/3) + i sin ( 2m pi/3). This works generally not just for case = 3.
i think we are starting with basic trig yes?
were trying to explain the basics
yes, it root of 3/2
so now u know the trig ratios dizliz?
ok and how did you find it?
ratios?
i meant from the cheat sheet, how did you find it?
I think we must assume a knowledge of trig and the basics of complex numbers or this question is just inappropriate.
Because it is the imaginary part that i seen at the 120 degree
since shes only taking a summer course..we can excuse her
second coordinate on the cheat sheet yes?
yes second coordinate
and how about \[\cos(300)\]?
1/2
got it
ok and you did this just by looking at the unit circle. now your question may be "where did these numbers come from?" or it may be "how do i solve the problem i posted?" which one would you like to address first?
ur amazing satellite
where do these come from
in other words without a cheat sheet how would i know they are there and what they are
uve gotta memorize em
ull just learn em over time
ok that's good. but be warned that for practical purposes you should memorize something. let me find it for you
do u get it dizliz>??
dizliz?
u there?>
yes, I am here. So I just need to memorize the unit circle
ok first of all do you know what a 30-60-90 triangle looks like?
no you only have to memorize two triangles really
Yes, that much I can gather
a 30 -60 -90 triangle and a 45-45-90 triangle
yes u need to memorize only some values
not sure what you mean by 45-45-90
lets do the easy one first. imagine you have a 45-45-90 triangle. since two sides are the same and it is a right triangle, if we set the hypotenuse = 1 (so it fits right inside the circle) you know that \[a^2+a^2=1\] \[2a^2=1\] \[a^2=\frac{1}{2}\] and so \[a=\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\]
means two angles are 45 degrees and it is a right triangle.
now look at the coordinates of 45 degrees on the unit circle. you will see that both the first and second coordinate is \[\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\]
visualize placing the triangle in the circle so that the hypotenuse is the radius. those are the lengths of the sides
Ok, I have a little bump where a goes from square root of 1/2 to square root of 2/2
In radians, first figure is cos, second is sin
that is the triangle on the upper right of the sheet i just sent
oh let me unbump you
\[\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\times \frac{\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\]
this is called "rationalizing the denominator. they are the same numbers, just the form is different
Okay, that's pretty easy.
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