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OpenStudy (amistre64):

why does normal algebra fail when applied to series?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What do yo mean?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

I mean, that unless a series behaves itself; normal algebra like commutative property fails to work

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Didn't bother Euler...:-)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you give me an example of what you mean perhaps?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

1-1+1-1+1-1+..... is what i can recall from my readings last night

OpenStudy (anonymous):

1/2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

does this series converge or diverge or have a limit ....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No divergent....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

convergent...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its a telescoping sum

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its divergent becasue it aint well behaved enough to use the commutative property

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It's a half...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't know what you mean, individual terms can be commuted.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a half?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\sum_{k=1}^{\infty}(-1)^k\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I though it diverges because sum alternate?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

* oscillate

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the sequence diverges so the series diverges ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

algebra only applies to equilities and not to limits

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hold the phone. you need to write down precisely what \[\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} (-1)^k\] means. it has a specific meaning.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

addition is defined for a finite number of addends (whatever they are called) so the question is one about limits, not rules of algebra

OpenStudy (anonymous):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandi%27s_series

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{n->\infty}(-1)^n\] doesnt exist; it doesnt go to zero therefore the sequence diverges right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

depends on your definitions, really...

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if a sequence diverges; the series diverges; if i recall my readings :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Look up Cesaro sum...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

not because it doesn't go to zero but because it has no limit

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the sequence of partial sums is 1, 0 , 1 , 0 ... and this clearly does not approach one single number

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if a sequence converges, the series is still undetermined; but has a better chance of converging :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, I will save you the trouble... In other words, the Cesàro sum of an infinite series is the limit of the arithmetic mean (average) of the first n numbers in the series, as n goes to infinity.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

amistre you are confusing two things. the sequence of partial sums is this \[a_1, a_1+a_2, a_1+a_2+a_3 ...\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A whole set of different rules apply to divergent series (outside the realms of analysis).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is not the sequence of the terms, but the sequence of the partial sums that must converge. for example \[\sum (\frac{1}{2})^k\] sequence of partial sums are \[\frac{1}{2}, \frac{3}{4}, \frac{7}{8}, \frac{15}{16}, ..\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the sequence of partial sums for 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 +... is 1, 0 , 1 , 0 , 1 , 0 , 1 , 0 , ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and it is this sequence , the sequence of the partial sums, that has no limit

OpenStudy (amistre64):

very good splaining :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

really? thnx!

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