attach file,I need help number 4,18,20,22,TY
18. one real root 20 two real roots
best way it so graph and see where the roots are
but teacher require find root by negative and positive sign
I'll do problem 20. Hopefully it makes sense! \[q(x)= x^{4}+5x^{3}+2x^{2}-7x-9\] First, note the highest exponent=4, so there is a total of 4 zeros. Let's use Descarte's rule of signs for positive roots. signs: +++-- (ignore everything except the signs. Be sure the terms are in order, highest order to lowest order) Count the sign changes. One way is to write the signs in pairs (++), (++),(+-),(--) Only 1 pair has a +-, so only 1 sign change. ==> 1 positive root. Negative roots: sub in -1 for x, and count sign changes signs: +-++- in pairs: (+-),(-+),(++),(+-) 3 pairs have sign changes, ===> 3 negative roots, or 1 negative root Now, using the fact that we have a total of 4 roots, we can list out the possibilities. Remember, imaginary roots come in pairs. pos neg imag 1 3 0 1 1 2 As a check, use wolfram http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=roots+x%5E4%2B5x%5E3%2B2x%5E2-7x-9 We see the actual answer is 1 positive, 1 negative, 2 imaginary.
Phi if the pair opposite site it mean poistive root ?
you mean opposite signs? If a pair has opposite signs it means there was a change of signs in the sequence. It's a way to count the number of sign changes.
You can count sign changes another way. ++++----- has only one change where + changes to - Another example +-+ has 2 changes + to - and then - to +
you have time , we can work another number?
Go ahead
let try number 22)
positive: (+ - ) (-+) (+-)(-+)(+-) negative; (+-) (-+) (+-)(-+)(+-) than what root positive have ? Negative what root have ?
Good so far. How many sign changes for pos and neg?
dose or dose'n matter in oder like postive pair positve go first : (+-) negaitve pair negative gof first : ( -+)?
Order does not matter. We have 5 sign changes for the positive roots. This means the equation has either 5 positive roots, or 3 positive roots, or 1 positive root.
look like not change from positive to negative
OK. Just look at the positive for now. How many sign changes for the positive. That means how many pair have (+ -) or (-+)?
positive has 5 sign change
So to repeat, that means we have 3 possibilities: 5, 3, or 1 positive root. We do not know which, only that these are the possible choices.
Now count the sign changes for the negative, and list out the possible number of negative roots.
5 sign change 5 id odd ,than we use all odd number ? like 5,3,1, ?
Good. We go down by 2 for our choices, because the other roots are complex, and they come in pairs.
Now we make a table of all possible combinations. We know we have 10 roots because the highest order term is x^10.
I'll list the first possibility Pos Neg Complex 5 5 0
if 3 Pos Neg Complex 3 ? ?
To make I sure I get every combination, I hold the first number (Positive) constant, and then use up all the combinations for the negatives. So I would next list Pos Neg Complex 5 3 ? and then 5 1 ? I left ? for the complex because you can figure them out. We are not done yet...
Pos Neg Complex 5 3 2 and then 5 1 4 ?
OK, now select the next possibility for the positive, and then all possibilities for the negative.
Pos Neg Complex 3 3 4 and then 3 1 6
you forgot 3 5 2 but keep going...
Pos Neg Complex 3 3 4 3 5 2 and then 3 1 6
one more possibility for the positive... 3 more combinations to go.
Pos Neg Complex 1 3 6 1 5 4 1 6 3 1 4 5
Hmmmm...
The possibilities for the number of negative roots are 5, 3 or 1.
So some on your list are not possible.
We have those combinations already. Set the pos to 1, and use all the neg (5,3,1)
Pos Neg Complex 1 3 6 1 5 4 1 1 8
So let's list all the possibilities. I'll list them the way I would do it: Pos Neg Complex 5 5 0 5 3 2 5 1 4 3 5 2 3 3 4 3 1 6 1 5 4 1 3 6 1 1 8
Now the actual number of roots can be found using wolfram http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=roots+x%5E10+-+x%5E8+%2Bx%5E6+-+x%5E4+%2Bx%5E2-1
ty,can you work through number 18 ?
Work on it, and I'll check you. Post the intermediate results, to make sure you have not drifted off course.
g(x) =(++)(+-)(-+) g(-x)=(-+)(++))(++) positive sign has 2 roots negative sign has 1 root Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 1 2 0
You counted the number of sign changes correctly
for the positive, you found 2, so the choices are 2 and 0
yes , I can count number sign chage ,but I don't know how many root are possible
The choices are always the number of sign changes = n, and then n-2, n-4, until you get to zero.
Try again with the table.
Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1 0 0 2
OK, we have to work on this.
my answer is wrong ?
The choices for the number of positive roots are {2, 0} The choices of the number of negative roots are {1}. When you make your table, no other numbers are allowed. For the moment, ignore the complex. just list the combinations for the pos and neg.
Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1 0 1 2
In your list you have 0 and 2 in the neg column, but neither is in {1}, which is the number of sign changes we counted. So still not correct..
Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 0 1 2
Yes!
than 2 possible ?
The 2 in the positive column is ok because you counted 2 sign changes. The 2 in the complex column is just the number so the total comes out right.
I will post a problem fog, if you still around Please! help
fog?
yes, I can draw but I don't know posissble out come, fog,gof ,how many oder pair
OK post your problem
OK, I will open file and post now
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