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OpenStudy (anonymous):

attach file,I need help number 4,18,20,22,TY

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

18. one real root 20 two real roots

OpenStudy (anonymous):

best way it so graph and see where the roots are

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but teacher require find root by negative and positive sign

OpenStudy (phi):

I'll do problem 20. Hopefully it makes sense! \[q(x)= x^{4}+5x^{3}+2x^{2}-7x-9\] First, note the highest exponent=4, so there is a total of 4 zeros. Let's use Descarte's rule of signs for positive roots. signs: +++-- (ignore everything except the signs. Be sure the terms are in order, highest order to lowest order) Count the sign changes. One way is to write the signs in pairs (++), (++),(+-),(--) Only 1 pair has a +-, so only 1 sign change. ==> 1 positive root. Negative roots: sub in -1 for x, and count sign changes signs: +-++- in pairs: (+-),(-+),(++),(+-) 3 pairs have sign changes, ===> 3 negative roots, or 1 negative root Now, using the fact that we have a total of 4 roots, we can list out the possibilities. Remember, imaginary roots come in pairs. pos neg imag 1 3 0 1 1 2 As a check, use wolfram http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=roots+x%5E4%2B5x%5E3%2B2x%5E2-7x-9 We see the actual answer is 1 positive, 1 negative, 2 imaginary.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Phi if the pair opposite site it mean poistive root ?

OpenStudy (phi):

you mean opposite signs? If a pair has opposite signs it means there was a change of signs in the sequence. It's a way to count the number of sign changes.

OpenStudy (phi):

You can count sign changes another way. ++++----- has only one change where + changes to - Another example +-+ has 2 changes + to - and then - to +

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you have time , we can work another number?

OpenStudy (phi):

Go ahead

OpenStudy (anonymous):

let try number 22)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

positive: (+ - ) (-+) (+-)(-+)(+-) negative; (+-) (-+) (+-)(-+)(+-) than what root positive have ? Negative what root have ?

OpenStudy (phi):

Good so far. How many sign changes for pos and neg?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dose or dose'n matter in oder like postive pair positve go first : (+-) negaitve pair negative gof first : ( -+)?

OpenStudy (phi):

Order does not matter. We have 5 sign changes for the positive roots. This means the equation has either 5 positive roots, or 3 positive roots, or 1 positive root.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

look like not change from positive to negative

OpenStudy (phi):

OK. Just look at the positive for now. How many sign changes for the positive. That means how many pair have (+ -) or (-+)?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

positive has 5 sign change

OpenStudy (phi):

So to repeat, that means we have 3 possibilities: 5, 3, or 1 positive root. We do not know which, only that these are the possible choices.

OpenStudy (phi):

Now count the sign changes for the negative, and list out the possible number of negative roots.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

5 sign change 5 id odd ,than we use all odd number ? like 5,3,1, ?

OpenStudy (phi):

Good. We go down by 2 for our choices, because the other roots are complex, and they come in pairs.

OpenStudy (phi):

Now we make a table of all possible combinations. We know we have 10 roots because the highest order term is x^10.

OpenStudy (phi):

I'll list the first possibility Pos Neg Complex 5 5 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if 3 Pos Neg Complex 3 ? ?

OpenStudy (phi):

To make I sure I get every combination, I hold the first number (Positive) constant, and then use up all the combinations for the negatives. So I would next list Pos Neg Complex 5 3 ? and then 5 1 ? I left ? for the complex because you can figure them out. We are not done yet...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 5 3 2 and then 5 1 4 ?

OpenStudy (phi):

OK, now select the next possibility for the positive, and then all possibilities for the negative.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 3 3 4 and then 3 1 6

OpenStudy (phi):

you forgot 3 5 2 but keep going...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 3 3 4 3 5 2 and then 3 1 6

OpenStudy (phi):

one more possibility for the positive... 3 more combinations to go.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 1 3 6 1 5 4 1 6 3 1 4 5

OpenStudy (phi):

Hmmmm...

OpenStudy (phi):

The possibilities for the number of negative roots are 5, 3 or 1.

OpenStudy (phi):

So some on your list are not possible.

OpenStudy (phi):

We have those combinations already. Set the pos to 1, and use all the neg (5,3,1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 1 3 6 1 5 4 1 1 8

OpenStudy (phi):

So let's list all the possibilities. I'll list them the way I would do it: Pos Neg Complex 5 5 0 5 3 2 5 1 4 3 5 2 3 3 4 3 1 6 1 5 4 1 3 6 1 1 8

OpenStudy (phi):

Now the actual number of roots can be found using wolfram http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=roots+x%5E10+-+x%5E8+%2Bx%5E6+-+x%5E4+%2Bx%5E2-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ty,can you work through number 18 ?

OpenStudy (phi):

Work on it, and I'll check you. Post the intermediate results, to make sure you have not drifted off course.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

g(x) =(++)(+-)(-+) g(-x)=(-+)(++))(++) positive sign has 2 roots negative sign has 1 root Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 1 2 0

OpenStudy (phi):

You counted the number of sign changes correctly

OpenStudy (phi):

for the positive, you found 2, so the choices are 2 and 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes , I can count number sign chage ,but I don't know how many root are possible

OpenStudy (phi):

The choices are always the number of sign changes = n, and then n-2, n-4, until you get to zero.

OpenStudy (phi):

Try again with the table.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1 0 0 2

OpenStudy (phi):

OK, we have to work on this.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my answer is wrong ?

OpenStudy (phi):

The choices for the number of positive roots are {2, 0} The choices of the number of negative roots are {1}. When you make your table, no other numbers are allowed. For the moment, ignore the complex. just list the combinations for the pos and neg.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 2 0 1 0 2 1 0 1 2

OpenStudy (phi):

In your list you have 0 and 2 in the neg column, but neither is in {1}, which is the number of sign changes we counted. So still not correct..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Pos Neg Complex 2 1 0 0 1 2

OpenStudy (phi):

Yes!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

than 2 possible ?

OpenStudy (phi):

The 2 in the positive column is ok because you counted 2 sign changes. The 2 in the complex column is just the number so the total comes out right.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I will post a problem fog, if you still around Please! help

OpenStudy (phi):

fog?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, I can draw but I don't know posissble out come, fog,gof ,how many oder pair

OpenStudy (phi):

OK post your problem

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OK, I will open file and post now

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