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OpenStudy (anonymous):

can someone show me step by step on how to do the attach problem?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i take it thats a 4rt(..) ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its hard to jump back and forth with these things; itd be better if you could learn to type them out at least :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

usually you multiply by a conjugate form

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h->0}\frac{\sqrt[4]{16+h}-2}{h}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah, but its take me a long time to do that

OpenStudy (amistre64):

its spose to, that teaches you the math discipline :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

True!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

isnt this number 2:- f(x) = x^(1/4)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But, again when I try to type euqation its doesn't always come out clear enough

OpenStudy (anonymous):

on this website

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h->0}\frac{\sqrt[4]{16+h}-2}{h}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{\sqrt[4]{16+h}-2}{h}*\frac{\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2}{\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{\sqrt[4]{(16+h)^2}-4}{h\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2}\] that could have worked out better :) conjugate again?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

isn't the square root on the numerator suppose to cancel out?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yeah .... lets try that way too :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h->0}\frac{\sqrt{(16+h)}-4}{h\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2}*\frac{\sqrt{(16+h)}+4}{\sqrt{(16+h)}+4}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{16+h-4}{h(\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2)(\sqrt{16+h}+4)}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{12+h}{h(\sqrt[4]{16+h}+2)(\sqrt{16+h}+4)}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

this right so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you agreeing or verifying :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

both

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait! on the numerator its suppose to be 16+h-16

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h->0}\frac{12+h}{h((16+h)^{1/4}+2)((16+h)^{1/2}+4)}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{12+h}{h((16+h)^{3/4}+4(16+h)^{1/4}+2(16+h)^{1/2}+8)}\] good eye :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

then lets cancel hs and solve for the others for 0

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\lim_{h->0}\frac{h}{h((16+h)^{1/4}+2)((16+h)^{1/2}+4)}\] \[\lim_{h->0}\frac{1}{((16+h)^{1/4}+2)((16+h)^{1/2}+4)}\] \[\frac{1}{((16)^{1/4}+2)((16)^{1/2}+4)}\] \[\frac{1}{(2+2)(4+4)}\] \[\frac{1}{(4)(8)}=\frac{1}{32}\] no?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That right but, its not one of the answer choices.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=lim {h-%3E0}+%28%2816%2Bh%29^%281%2F4%29-2%29%2Fh

OpenStudy (amistre64):

well have to consider what the problem is asking then

OpenStudy (amistre64):

which function given is the value 1/32?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the problem asks you to find the function which leads to this limit and also the value of a

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youll have to derive the given functions and relate them at f'(a) i think right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think its number 2 : x^1/4 a = 16

OpenStudy (anonymous):

can you please show how you got that answer?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i think number 2 as well; f'(x) = \(\cfrac{1}{\sqrt[4]{x^3}}\) ; at x=16?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

???

OpenStudy (amistre64):

that give 1/8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

OpenStudy (amistre64):

unless we did an error in the first part; number 2 looks the best fit

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and by we i meant me lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you work back and differentiate x^1/4 from first principles it leads to the limit quoted in the question - according to my workings

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what about the answer amistre64 got 1/32, was that necessary?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

.... i hoe so, that was alot of work :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

pppp hope

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so why do you think the answer is choice 2

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you got more than 6 answers to choose from?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

wolfram says 1/32 was right if the link hadnt chopped

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, just 6

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i forgot the 4 .... doh!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[[x^{1/4}]'=\frac{1}{4x^{3/4}}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

thats why it told me 8, i forgot the 4 :) 1/8(4) = 1/32

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, ok! also the answer choice has a=16, why?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

they use "a" instead of "x" to indicate that its a specific number in the domain

OpenStudy (amistre64):

f'(a) such that a=16

OpenStudy (anonymous):

also where did you get X^3 from they only gave X^4

OpenStudy (amistre64):

instead of saying; go get me one of those pencils over there. They are saying: go get me that pencil over there

OpenStudy (anonymous):

y = x^(1/4) if y increases by a quantity dy and x increases by dx y + dy = (x + dx)^4 dy = (x + dx)^1/4 - x^ 1/4 dy/dx = [(x + dx)^1/4 - x^ 1/4 ]/ dx for dx insert h and for x insert 16 limit x>0 = [(16 - h)^1/4 - 16^1/4] / h = [(16 - h)^1/4 - 2 / h

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we need a function that goes under; and fractional exponents do that since you subtract 1 from it and it goes negative

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\frac{d}{dx}{x^{1/4}} \implies\frac{1}{4}\frac{1}{x^{3/4}} \]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

when x = a = 16; we get a value that is 1/32

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, ok thanks some much!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

youre welcome

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how come you had to take the conjugate two time?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

howdy

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the conjunction only resolves a square root; this was a 4th root

OpenStudy (amistre64):

as a result, the first conjugate canceled out a square and left us with a remaining square to deal with

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in other words: \[x^{1/4}*x^{1/2}=x^{1/2}\] \[x^{1/2}*x^{1/2}=x\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh, ok thanks for clearing it up for me

OpenStudy (amistre64):

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