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OpenStudy (anonymous):

prove (A\B) ^ (C\D)= (A^C)\ (B^D)

myininaya (myininaya):

\[(\frac{A}{B})^\frac{C}{D}=\frac{A^\frac{C}{D}}{B^\frac{C}{D}}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh completely sorry...this is for real analysis

myininaya (myininaya):

can you get me more details on this notation you used

myininaya (myininaya):

what is A,B,C and D?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the \ is "compliment" and the ^ is "intersection"

myininaya (myininaya):

oh

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and A,B,C,D are subsets of universal set U

myininaya (myininaya):

compliment: my understanding is that means elements not in do you mean A-B

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah that is the general notation, for some reason my book uses \

myininaya (myininaya):

ok so i'm going try to prove \[(A-B) \cap (C-D)=(A \cap C)-(B \cap D)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

correct

myininaya (myininaya):

ok let me look at it for a few

myininaya (myininaya):

well first of all you know we have two ways to go to prove the equality we have to prove each is a subset of the other

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if you have any advice for me on this course too i would appreciate it, im struggiling

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what text are you using?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Analysis with an introduction to proof by Steven R. Lay

myininaya (myininaya):

hey satellite tell me if i'm thinking right i'm a bit tired...

myininaya (myininaya):

if x is an element of A-B, then x is an element of A but not B right?

myininaya (myininaya):

i think this sounds right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

myininaya (myininaya):

ok i have the first part one sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you got it i think. do it element wise

myininaya (myininaya):

suppose \[x \in (A-B) \cap (C-D) => x \in A-B \& x \in C-D\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true

myininaya (myininaya):

\[=> x \in A and x \not{\in} B \& x \in C and x \not{\in} D\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my problem is this is the first time having 4 sets, can't draw a venn diagram and don't know how to do the proof

myininaya (myininaya):

now we have to go the other way

myininaya (myininaya):

satellite be my guest

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but x is not an element of B

myininaya (myininaya):

\[=>x \in (A \cap C)-(B \cap D)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok

myininaya (myininaya):

there happy lol

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(A-B) \cap (C-D)=(A \cap C)-(B \cap D)\] \[(A\cap C)-(A\cap D)-(B \cap C)-(B\cap D)=(A \cap C)-(B \cap D)\] hmmmm

OpenStudy (amistre64):

do the logic rules apply to sets?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes they do

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i have to say i am struggling with the other way.

myininaya (myininaya):

i think this other way is a bit more trickier

myininaya (myininaya):

lol

myininaya (myininaya):

you have a few cases you have to consider going the other way

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[(A-B) \cap (C-D)=(A \cap C)-(B \cap D)\] is that first one (A or notB) ? is that first one (A not B) ? is that first one (A and notB) ?

myininaya (myininaya):

you get to a part in the proof where you have y is not an element of B intersect D this could mean that y is not in both sets this could mean y is in one set but not the other

myininaya (myininaya):

these are the two cases that i see to consider

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or is (A-B) mean (A n C n D)?

myininaya (myininaya):

\[A-B=\{x \in A| x \not{\in} B\}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

isn't \[A-B=A\cap B^c\]?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes the first one is A not B

myininaya (myininaya):

you mean the difference of the sets A and B?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and satellite yes I think that is right, B superscript c is U/B

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then i think that would make life easier

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no just that (A-B)=A not B

OpenStudy (amistre64):

lol .... just trying to understand what its saying to begin with seems to be a challange

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[A-B=\{x\in A| x\not{\in} B\}\]

myininaya (myininaya):

copy cat

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which to me means \[\{x|x\in A, x\not{\in}B\}=A\cap B^c\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

anyone consider it to be false? can we give a counter example?

myininaya (myininaya):

yes A intersect not B but i can't figure out what A not B means

myininaya (myininaya):

well mathty there has to be a counterexample since going the other way y may not be in B but in D or the other way around so i bet i can come up with one

OpenStudy (amistre64):

So, x is an element of A and notB; and element of C and notD is equivalent to saying: x is an element of A and D, but not an element of B and C

OpenStudy (anonymous):

A not B means all the elements that are in A and not B, if you draw a venn diagram you will see that a and b overlap

myininaya (myininaya):

ok i know what A and not B means i just didn't know what A not B means

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of course, how you draw a venn diagram for 4 sets, Im not sure

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i am thinking maybe the reason it is hard is that it is not right, x is an elem|dw:1317865038621:dw|

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