the derivative of square root of t is 2t?
no it's 1/2t
because square root is the same as t^1/2 and you bring that to the front in derivatives.
\[\frac{1}{2\sqrt{t}}\]
oh yeah hehe brain fart
can anyone help me in product rule?
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Yeah i can.
okay so I have \[2x ^{3}e ^{7x}\] and i have to use product rule. So almost at the final stage I got (2x^3)(7e^(7x))+(e^7x)(6x^2)...but I'm a bit confused on how to multiply them and simplify, especially witth the exponents
Ok i will start from the beginning so i dont get confused lol.
\[(6x^2)(e^{7x}) + (2x^{3})(e^{7x})\]
yes thats what i got, now how to simplify
I might of taken the derivative of \[e^{7x}\] wrong.. let me check before i move on.
Yeah i did. Let me correct it.
oh yeah u did, it was suppose to be 7 in front
\[(6x^{2})(e^{7x}) + (3x^{2})(7e^{7x})\]
Ok we can factor out a e^7x
okay wait, its suppose to be uv'+vu' form...
\[e^{7x}[6x^{2} + 3x^{2}*7]\]
The order doesnt matter in the product rule.
okay but shouldnt the first parentheses ont he second set be \[2x ^{?}\] not 3x^2
i mean 3x^3
ahh i bumped the three and i ment the 2.. Lets see if i can get it right this time >.< lol
\[(6x^2)(e^{7x})+(2x^3)(7e^{7x})\]
Ok did i get it right this time?? (i hope lol )
Factor out e^7x \[e^{7x}[6x^2 + 14x^3]\] and you can also factor out a 2x^2 \[e^{7x}2x^2[3 + 7x]\] And that is the answer!
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%282x%5E3%29%28e%5E%287x%29%29&t=mfftb01 This confirms i didnt screw it up this time lol
okay thanks! can you help me with one more?
Sure
f(x)=\[-x ^{2}e ^{5\sin(x)}\]
Ok \[(-2x)(e^{5\sin(x)}) + (-x^2)(5e^{5\sin(x)}\cos(x))\]
Factor out -xe^5sin(x)\[-e^{5\sin(x)}x[2 + 5xcos(x)]\]
okay for the second set, it couldnt have been written like 3cos(x)e^(5sinx)?
or does the cos have to be beside 5e adn its exponent
by 3 i meatnt 5
it would be \[\cos(x)5e^{5\sin(x)}\] if you wanted the cosine in the front. The way i have it written is correct though and its just force of habbit when i use the chain rule i write the derivative of the inner function last.
okay, well we havent been taught the chain rule yet. we are next week.
Wow. You need the chain rule to solve the last one lol.. Are you working ahead in class or something or is your teacher that mean lol :P
perhaps she didnt realize it required the chain rule. I don't know. She's not mean, but she expects us to know stuff :O ...but y exactly do we need the chain rule for it?
Because the e^5sin(x) in a composite function. And to find the derivative of a composite function you need the Chain Rule.
Its pretty simple to learn, i can teach it to you real quick if you want.
oh actually we skipped to chapter 5 for those involiving e....natural exponential functions and how to find their derivatives....(is that the same or different?)
Same or different as what??
the same as finding the derivative with the chain rule.. because this is the form to gett he derivatives involving e f'(u)=(e^u)du
Yeah its kinda like the chain rule.
okay. so what is the chain rule? Can you teach me? I'll gladly appreciate it. That way i can be ahead in knowing.
Ok.. Chain rule is used to find the derivative of Composite Functions in the form \[f(g(x))\] ( f composed with g(x) ).. Where f(x) is the outer function and g(x) is the inner function.
So say we have the function \[y = (2x + 1)^2\]
The outer function is \[f(x) = x^2\] and the inner function is \[g(x) = 2x + 1\]. F is composed with g(x). Do you understand so far?
yes I do but why is the outer function xsquared?
Its like doing the composition of a function in reverse. You have \[f(g(x)) = (2x + 1)^2\] What is f(x) and what is g(x).. f(x) is the ^2 and g(x) is 2x + 1
ok got it
i just use x because it is the most common variable used. It can be y^2 or z^2 ect...
Ok.. before we move on, just to make sure you understand \[f(g(x)) = \sqrt{2x^2 + 3}\] What is f(x) (outer function) and what is g(x) (inner function)??
inner function is 2x^2+3 and outer function is x^1/2?
Good!
Ok, if we have a composite function in the form f(g(x)) then to find the derivative you do the following. \[y \prime = f \prime(g(x))* g \prime (x)\]
You take the derivative of the outer function and leave the inner function alone then multiply it by the derivative of the inner function.
So going back to the example problem \[(2x+1)^2\] The outer function is \[f(x) = x^2\] and the inner function is \[g(x) = 2x + 1\]
The chain rule first says to find the derivative of the outer function. So the derivative of \[x^2\] is \[2x\] and to put g(x) where x is so it will look like \[2(2x+1)\] then multiply it by the derivative of 2x + 1 which is 2. So it will look like this \[2(2x+1) * 2\]
Make sense??
yes yes
Then after you simplify it you will end up with \[8x + 4\]
Its pretty simple once you know how to do it :D
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